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  2. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    a person in heavy armor has a rather vulnerable center of balance
    tilting him or ramming ought to be enough to put em in the ground considering knights were not taught hand to hand combat but weapons combat mostly
    this is why the soldier is my bet
    the shield would be the biggest concern but lack of mobility is fairly essential in one on one
    Aug 30, 2017
  3. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    soldiers being trained in cqc would avoid going near the sharp pointy sword and stay in the blind spot the shield would provide
    then its all a matter of stamina from there
    Aug 30, 2017
  4. Wobbly
    Wobbly
    I always imagined knights as masters at putting their enemy to the shield and then using their sword to hack and slash
    Aug 30, 2017
  5. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    thats not how medieval knights fight tho

    the strat was basically cavalry the infantry and drown fkers in arrows and shit in a siege

    then lots of ramming each other in the battlefield cause their armor couldn't be pierced by weapons of enemies at the time
    Aug 30, 2017
  6. Wobbly
    Wobbly
    i expected more skill than that . . . what about a samurai?
    Aug 30, 2017
  7. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    samurai fight based on skill speed and the lack of shield and heavy armor increase versatility samurai blades are made specifically for slicing and stabbing so yeah they might win if its against a knife
    cause cqc ain't got shit on a fast guy with a long ass sword
    Aug 30, 2017
  8. Wobbly
    Wobbly
    aren't samurai one strike one kill? if the soldier dodges the first strike, they win, mmm?
    Aug 30, 2017
  9. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    you've been watching too many movies
    tho the concept applies to duels the fighting style does vary from the era...
    hmm you got a point ...

    but meh im pretty sure no one is daft enough to slice once and stay still after
    Aug 30, 2017
  10. Wobbly
    Wobbly
    But long swords take a lot of time and effort to draw back and raise for another attack. That time lapse could be fatal.
    Aug 30, 2017
  11. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    a katana is light you would be an idiot if you think it could beat a knight (cause of armor and shit) but against a guy with a knife and kevlar i would say the odds are 50-50( money on samurai due to bias)

    basically from my perspective

    knight>samurai
    samurai>soldier with a knife
    sk>knight
    Aug 30, 2017
  12. Wobbly
    Wobbly
    what about a martial artist with their specialist weapon (Boxer Rebellion)
    Aug 30, 2017
  13. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    No clue to many Chinese lit got exaggerated here and there it is hard to find accurate facts
    Aug 30, 2017
  14. Wobbly
    Wobbly
    hrmmm . . . then what about a hunter, bow and arrows?
    Aug 30, 2017
  15. seriouslynope
    seriouslynope
    Armour wouldn't even play a role. A modern soldier armed with a combat knife with at least a month of training that isn't even centered in hand-to-hand combat vs. a knight with a sword's reach and a shield's protection that started training as early as 8 years old. Who do you think wins?
    Aug 30, 2017
  16. seriouslynope
    seriouslynope
    "suits of armor generally back then were thin as fk..
    a modern knife can pierce through it" Actually, no.
    Aug 30, 2017
  17. seriouslynope
    seriouslynope
    " a person in heavy armor has a rather vulnerable center of balance
    tilting him or ramming ought to be enough to put em in the ground considering knights were not taught hand to hand combat but weapons combat mostly " No. Ringen is German medieval wrestling and is taught by all German masters, with someone only known as Ott Judd focusing on it. Italians call it Abrazare.
    Aug 30, 2017
  18. Wobbly
    Wobbly
    what about the cracks in the armor such as the eye slit and where the helmet meets the chest (unless they have chainmail there)? With the short length of the knife, it would be accurate enough to stab there. Also, as FrozenInk said, can't blunt force be a factor?
    Aug 30, 2017
  19. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    again i must inform you it varied among the ages as there were some only a few mm thick and others which were inches thick

    i won't bother looking up which era exactly

    and training in basics since 8 yrs old ok lets quote that back in medieval times had the life expectancy of maybe 40 soldiers usually less
    Aug 30, 2017
  20. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    so the combatant at prime would be range from either 20 - 30
    so thats roughly 20 years of training and practical wars as the knights that gain prestige often get fiefs or some shit and laze around like wankers
    Aug 30, 2017
  21. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    modern era vets can even go as far as 40 or so
    training is scrubbed down to several months or a year at most
    with the next decade or so of life in actual combat
    Aug 30, 2017
  22. seriouslynope
    seriouslynope
    Other than the eye-slits, maille protects those parts and under that maille is padded aketon. And don't think for a second that just because a vulnerability is there means it's easily exploitable, someone trained in fighting fully armoured knows where they are vulnerable and will be ready to act accordingly.
    Aug 30, 2017
  23. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    another is steel back then was tempered forged and made with lots of its impurities intact so in comparison to the steel now it is possible to pierce through it
    Aug 30, 2017
  24. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    @warlokid armor back then say crusades era arrow were shit less it pierced areas where the armor was thin
    saracen arrows would never penetrate a crusaders thats fully armored
    although saracen armor was thinner in comparison so christian arrows did its job sometimes~
    Aug 30, 2017
  25. seriouslynope
    seriouslynope
    3mm at the thickest but it's tempered and hardened steel, not rolled sheet steel. If lances on horseback can't reliably punch through armour then a guy with a knife can't.
    Aug 30, 2017
  26. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    ironically chainmail was a struck of genius at the time it did not stop knights from dying but it prevented deep wounds

    do note that weapons like crossbows could pierce them however
    Aug 30, 2017
  27. Wobbly
    Wobbly
    @seriouslynope doesn't the field of vision narrow with a knight's helmet? you are seeing through slits most of the time. Can't that be taken advantage of? also, @Frozen ink , isn't that what shields are for? deflecting weapons with the potential to pierce through the armor? heehee love playing devil's advocate
    Aug 30, 2017
  28. seriouslynope
    seriouslynope
    Visors can be lifted. Most medieval manuscript shows men-at-arms with their visors lifted when in the melee, this gives proper ventilation and wide field of view.
    Aug 30, 2017
  29. seriouslynope
    seriouslynope
    "do note that weapons like crossbows could pierce them however" Not necessarily. A crossbow with 1000lbs draw will but the shorter and heavier bolt with only two fletching tend to lose stability and velocity throughout its travel quickly compared to arrows.
    Aug 30, 2017
  30. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    @seriouslynope it depend on the era as proper blacksmithing improved with the ages

    impurities were still there

    tempered still is after all pretty hard but can't absorb blunt force so even if a guy with a lance on a horse can't pierce it the guys gonna die from blunt force trauma

    and modern combat knives can pierce metal a couple of mm thick ..
    Aug 30, 2017
  31. Wobbly
    Wobbly
    doesn't that provide a clear target? As @Frozen ink said, knights are undoubtedly less agile than without armor. What if you can out speed the knight and attack?
    Aug 30, 2017
  32. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    knights are front heavy so pushing them from behind creates a very lethal gap

    mind you falling off a horse is pretty dangerous on its own as you may fall head first

    but generally knights falling of a horse will break a bone or two~
    Aug 30, 2017
  33. seriouslynope
    seriouslynope
    You can't. Giacomo Digrassi (a fencing master) wrote on what a knight in armour should be able to do, some people who wrote about the exploits of Jean "Marshall Boucicaut" LeMaingre the greatest knight of France agrees.
    Aug 30, 2017
  34. Wobbly
    Wobbly
    yeesh this is a seriously long conversation about the technicalities of armor. Fun (^.^)! @Frozen ink you should join AG . You seem to know you're stuff!
    Aug 30, 2017
  35. seriouslynope
    seriouslynope
    @Frozen ink Tempered steel is what swords are made of and they flex a lot to shed impact, the compound curves also help shed a lot of force away from the steel. And modern combat knives can pierce untreated sheet steel.
    Aug 30, 2017
  36. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    no i prefer being a tentacle monster and uhmm doing stuff to the female adventurers

    but i could get banned so lets avoid that ~
    Aug 30, 2017
  37. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    @seriouslynope ok so let go with knights from late medieval stage vs soldier armed w/Kevlar and modern knife
    by this we do not mean plate armor cause those are for jousting
    but go with chain mail which is lighter and meant for one on one combat
    with a tempered steel sword and shield right?
    Aug 30, 2017
  38. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    cause if thats the case rip soldier
    Aug 30, 2017
  39. seriouslynope
    seriouslynope
    Plate armour is for fighting, tournament armour is for jousts.
    Aug 30, 2017
  40. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    or more like 40 60 odds are in the knights favor
    Aug 30, 2017
  41. seriouslynope
    seriouslynope
    The knight would have the reach advantage, Kevlar does not protect from bladed weapons, the knight is equipped with a shield. Obvious choice, really.
    Aug 30, 2017
  42. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    oh ... so plate armor.... with chainmail underneath thats close to 50 kg worth of weight more or less but thats the tourny version right?

    so plate armor for combat..... id go back to 50 50 with my money on the soldier
    Aug 30, 2017
  43. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    thing about shields are they are fairly easy to take advantage of but then again the guys got a knife with very few place to go for so a hit and run strat oughta be the thing you go for
    Aug 30, 2017
  44. seriouslynope
    seriouslynope
    "oh ... so plate armor.... with chainmail underneath thats close to 50 kg worth of weight more or less but thats the tourny version right?
    " That's too heavy for a field armour, they tend to go around 30-40 at most and is well distributed around the wearer's body. Compared to modern soldier? Watch.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FB0goDq38Q&t=1s
    Aug 30, 2017
  45. Wobbly
    Wobbly
    so you're saying the knight is not cavalry? Side note - I love the beard! Subscribed!
    Aug 30, 2017
  46. Frozen ink
    Frozen ink
    Yes yes but Kevlar comes in a lot of variety as well simply put stamina wise soldiers are trained to last longer if in a war of attrition the soldier would win as wearing the armor itself is demanding enough
    Aug 30, 2017
  47. seriouslynope
    seriouslynope
    @warlokid Normally they are, English knights prefer to fight on foot despite being trained with mounted fighting.
    Aug 30, 2017
  48. Wobbly
    Wobbly
    I always thought knights were horseriders . . . curse you japanese light novels/manga!
    Aug 30, 2017
  49. seriouslynope
    seriouslynope
    They were trained to wrestle and fight both mounted and unmounted, heck Fior di Battalgia shows a couple of mounted wrestling techniques.
    Aug 30, 2017
  50. Wobbly
    Wobbly
    . . . i know it's not what you meant, but I imagined sumo wrestlers on top of struggling horses slapping each other for a second.
    Aug 30, 2017
  51. seriouslynope