Question A fantasy nationality question:

Discussion in 'Novel General' started by batotit, Sep 13, 2017.

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What will be the citizenship of the baby?

  1. Kingdom A

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  2. Kingdom B

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  3. Kingdom C

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  1. Ai chan

    Ai chan Queen of Yuri, Devourer of Traps, Mindbroken Witch

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    If this is a story set in medieval europe kind of setting, none of them. The concept of nationality did not exist before the creation of identification papers. That would be around 1600 or 1700 in our world, IIRC. Before that, it didn't matter where you were born, what mattered was where you, the person feel most attached to. Usually because you were raised there.

    Unlike the modern world, medieval nations are not permanent. A kingdom can be destroyed within just a few years or become an empire for several hundred years. A kingdom that exist today may not exist next month due to invasions, betrayal, infighting or natural disasters.

    Serfs back then were technically not free. They were not allowed to leave the land they were contracted to. However, nobody could really stop them from moving in or moving out. Therefore, the concept of nationality was not applicable. Their loyalty was tied to their community and from there, what that community is tied to, such as a king, a kingdom or a city.

    For example, a hamlet can be within the borders of Filmeria, but identifies more with Rolloria. In the modern world, the hamlet most definitely belongs to Filmeria, because it's within their borders. However, in medieval period before identification papers, the hamlet can very well belong to Rolloria but at the same time it can also belong to Filmeria. The land itself can belong to Filmeria, as there would've been a clear deed of land that identifies where the border is drawn on the map. The people in that hamlet however, belongs to whichever entity they declare allegiance to.

    EDIT: I forgot to touch on titles of nobility. A knight or baron for example would refer to early version of citizenship. It is because they receive the titles from the king and that kingdom, contracting them to that particular kingdom. An average serf with no title would not really belong to any particular kingdom, because there was nothing tying them to that kingdom. Therefore, who the protagonist belong to in this scenario depends on who managed to give him a binding title first.
     
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  2. Yunchii

    Yunchii [Code War: Yunchii of the Traitorous Archer]

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    The baby drop from the dragon and raised in the no man land by wolves
     
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    replay ★Milk and Honey smelling Merchant★

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    the last fertile woman that was born. . . only if the mother died during birth. . .
    but there's a twist! she got a brother! and that brother of her is just disguising as a prince! but is actually a female!!!!!
     
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    Renzy Well-Known Gamer

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    In a fantasy world where there are certain rules. Like citizens can just freely change their citizenship then they can be anywhere they want. Other thing is if their are certain kingdoms with an agreement that they cant freely get citizens from each other. The thing about them riding a dragon, first of all never read kingdoms owning a dragon. Dragons treats themselves as a superior race. And about the passingby of Kingdom B, they only pass who cares.
     
  5. ahuramagina

    ahuramagina A Hero Kitty Lost In the World of Demonic Dogs

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    Should be kingdom A.
    Due to the reasons i like letter A.
    Also kingdom B and C wont matter because the dragon from kingdom A will destroy them.
     
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    the real story...
    both parents are king n queen of kingdom C that do negotiation in kingdom A, but because the queen going into labor, kingdom A send them with the dragon. but an evil noble from kingdom B just got oracle from his slaves miko, about powerfull child being born in kingdom B territory.
    with the birth of the child, n little of blood splashed on the dragon body, thus made an accidental contract with the baby,
    because the kingdom A contract got overwrite by the OP jap reincarnate baby, the dragon struggling in his suffering over the contract, thus fall in Kingdom B territory.
    then the news come to evil noble ears, with haste he order his army to secure the child.
    in other place, the former contractor feels his severed contract with the dragon, ask the king of kingdom A to chase the dragon for subjugation, because he believe the severed contract will make the dragon go wild, n urge the imprisonment of the culprit
    in other hand, the escorts of the king n queen that just crossing the border of kingdom B from Kingdom A see the massive army going on n on about kidnapping a child with dragon as the child protector. thus make the escort anxious n remembered about their king n queen....
    n the war to acquired the child begin
     
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    Jasad ...not oldschool, just old...

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    Not enough facts.
     
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    It depends on the Kingdoms' Law. If they have a law that is based upon the principles of jus sanguinis (right of blood) then the citizenship is determined where the descent's parents came from.

    I doubt that there's a law specifically for the commoners.
    Citizenship are determined by strength in that kind of world where even a dragon resides.

    If the MC is reincarnated with his previous memory then in his heart his citizenship was japan.
    Eventually the citizenship is not important anyway because he will definitely become so OP that he can even return to earth.
     
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  9. Nyamsus

    Nyamsus Fumuu~~

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    it belong to Japan...
    because ABC nation will united as renamed as Neo-Japan
     
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    The plot so far doesn't provide enough clues to make a justifiable claim.
     
  11. Okuri Ookami

    Okuri Ookami 'Chi Chi Chi' calls the Sparrow

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    The question makes no sense because

    A: If the parents are free to decide where they want to stay then THEY will choose where they want to live
    B: If none of the kingdoms respect the parents decision then ultimately 2 things will happen
    1. The parents will be subjected to pressure forcing them into choosing or running away
    2. The kingdoms will fight each other an then its decided
    If you're asking what nationality the MC think s/he should belong too then the answer is similar

    1. He's Japanese so he'll consider that his origin and most likely live as a wonderer until he finds a place he likes
    2. If he's the loyalist type then ultimately he'll pick whichever he grew up in.
    This leads to the questions of

    1. Who the fuck cares
    2. Why ask this, the question makes no sense.
    You can't claim a child because it was born on a dragon or above the skies and if his parents aren't defectors of kingdom C then the MC will be a citizen by default unless the parents are of split origins, even then its dual citizenship. Why are they on the dragon is a serious question?? If his parents are defectors of Kingdom C and are taking refuge in Kingdom A then Kingdom B has no claim just cause the baby was born in passing above their skies. You need a solid case and being born while fleeing to Kingdom A is much tighter than Flying above Kingdom B during birth. Also why the hell are the parents so irresponsible to birth a weak infant thousands of feet or meters above the earth?! Unless that baby has innate resistance towards the elements or a spell or aura is protecting them this baby would die from freezing to death or numerous other things!

    Your question is irritating and full of holes, and I didn't type them all because I'm feeling lazy and its super late at night here.
     
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    the answer is god. or whatever mystical being you have in mind that sent the jap guy to this world.
     
  13. Nyamsus

    Nyamsus Fumuu~~

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    Devoid of that world common sense...
    by the time he reach 16 yrs old , he will travel outside and like a plague he will warp the people common sense
     
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    mir 『FA Sect Librarian』 『Mirror』

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    Well, that answered my question, or at least satisfied it(?).
    And yeah, fantasy/middle ages type setting, it would make the most sense that no one would officially know until the parents reported it.

    edit:
    Nevermind, I know nothing of history. orz

    lul
     
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    *shrugs* could be just hanging on for their dear life O:) xD
     
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    fuzor100 《Gokai Red Behind the Brick!》

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    Let the Old Sage be the one to decided it since he seem very smart.
     
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    holy shiznit xD
     
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    Isn't it up to the parents? If they want to immigrate in country B and the baby was born in B's airspace, they can easily do that. Or if the want to keep their C citizenship and want the baby with them, then baby belongs to C. A has no choice in the matter. If we're talking about ownership, parents trump all.
     
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    It becomes even more confusing if you consider that it is possible to hold titles or even fiefs in multiple kingdoms at the same time, or even for a king to also be a count or duke in a rival kingdom.
     
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    first why dragon bring the parent?
    second does dragon belong to any kingdom or just live there?
    third what would the dragon do on kingdon b?