Clever Vs. Smart tag

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Which would be better keep as a tag?

  1. Clever

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  2. Smart

    31.5%
  3. Both (Please give your reasoning as to why you think both is neccessary

    48.1%
  1. DiabolicGod

    DiabolicGod Well-known lazy Member

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    we are supposed to reply why we would want to keep both
    and to give a reasoning it is necessary to define them
    so to decide which one to keep we need definitions
    nothing has been decided btw so where do you get that from? (from the discussion? that´s in another thread that most that are writing sth here didn´t see)
     
  2. MangoGuy

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    smart and clever are synonyms. However,the way we use smart is actually its informal usage. Formal usage of smart would refer to a character appearing smart/appearance wise. Clever is the more formal word here.So,I think we can use the Clever tag to someone who is intelligent in the more traditional way,where the kid knows stuff and has knowledge.And is able to grasp things well. We can use smart to refer to someone who is street smart,where in the character comes up with out of the box ideas,and is also able to learn things easily.
    EDIT: I did vote for both.
     
  3. marine1corps

    marine1corps Invisible to all Novel Updates Staff

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    naa I am okay with it going on for some time since there are other tags to clean.
     
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  4. Nyamsus

    Nyamsus Life is full of shit and we live in it

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    I just recalled a phrase from manhwa The Gamer, while he conflicted on deciding which one he should invest his point (int or Wis)
     
  5. I Eat Monsanto

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    Tang Tian is clever. Nuff said.
     
  6. asriu

    asriu fu~ fu~ fu~

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    oh well good luck with your work~
     
  7. SoulZer0

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    Keep both since those two have slightly different meanings.
     
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  8. Elaborate

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    I voted 'clever', with the intent to propose another tag for book-smart protagonists, but perhaps the best would be to remove BOTH - since they're too easily confused for the other - then replace with tags like "protagonist thinks out-of-the-box" and "protagonist possesses superior knowledge" which are more cumbersome, but very hard to mistake for the other.
     
  9. marine1corps

    marine1corps Invisible to all Novel Updates Staff

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    That's a really long tag to have. I don't know about that.
     
  10. awake1122

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    An example of something clever that works against being smart is this riddle from The Lazy Dungeon Master.
    [The answer is easy. Don’t overthink this. The way to answer is to divide one silver coin between three people.]
    It was used to trick smart people specifically
     
  11. Kemm

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    To put it another way:
    -Someone smart (intelligence wise) is above average in at least one category from knowledge, resourcefulness, wisdom or memory, even if they don't make the cut for anything else. They just have brains that work well in some way.
    -Someone clever is above average specifically in resourcefulness; it may be because they think outside the box, they have a vast knowledge about possible situations and are therefore able to optimize a solution or because they know some tricks, but in the end they are able to give swift solutions to the problem at hand.

    The thing awake1122 mentioned is a perfect example, as only clever people are able to solve that riddle, while those smart in any other area than cleverness will get stumped.


    I wanted to mention too one specific elementary school chinese text question that went viral that smart adults were unable to answer, while clever children answered like nothing.
     
  12. runsing

    runsing status : bleeding, health -10/s Novel Updates Staff

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    @awake1122 @Elaborate @R0ro @asriu @SemperAmbroscusOdium @Nyamsus @DiabolicGod @Chiiiiiiiii @Zero300 @ultragunner @Kemm @Diukes @postbank @Suoh95

    would it change things if i tell you we also have
    Cunning Female Lead
    Cunning Male Lead
    which is, imho, actually closer to clever

    they way i see it actually, the immediate problem is which english language culture you were familiar with. that is why some ppl feels harder to relate to clever, and some ppl harder to relate to smart

    let me say this in advance, thank you for your inputs
     
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  13. asriu

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    dejected.png you! IMO cunning have association with bad thing some member will search and or use that unlike smart or clever that neutral or tend to good connotation~
     
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    Clever tag is used when the Mc publicly display his/her cleverness while cunning will be used when it's done in a covert manner. Cunning means being clever in a surreptitious behavior.
     
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    a cunning mc, is definitely a clever mc, is it not?
     
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    Yes, except that when cunning means being clever covertly. There's a slight difference there.
     
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    imho, that comes hand in hand. has there ever been any mc that is one but not the other?

    i mean, doing it covertly is just the mc being sneaky.
     
  18. awake1122

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    Why not just change the 'smart' tag to 'book smart' tag and keep the 'clever' tag?
     
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    Every cunning Mc is clever but not every clever Mc is cunning. For example, Kira from DN is definitely a cunning Mc, however Roland from RtW is clever but not cunning. He does not do stuff secretly.
     
  20. asriu

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    hmm cunning not only on covert, most using underhand, shameless and the likes hence tend to have bad connotation that's why when cursing other usually cunning is used