Dr. Strange

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  1. Ninth Mountain

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    I think it would be reconstruction if the pieces of the broken bridge are gone, or somewhere far away from the original foundation of the bridge/near the remnant of the broken bridge since you're gonna conjure/summon/create something from nothing to "fix" the bridge.
     
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    But you're only using magic on the actual Apple itself, I don't think it would rewind your memories too.
     
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    Hunger and time travel explained
     
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    Yep
     
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    kekkaishi222 Well-Known Member

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    There you have "Magic" that defying logic.
    The way of magic works is not same with science, not 100%, but still follow some law of science.
    Magic work by using mana or anything they called it. [different culture and language create different name]
    And mana is a type of energy.
    You can say magic is a energy converter, that change mana nature.
    Science:
    Energy + converter = another type of energy
    Electricity + lamp = light

    Magic.:
    Mana + magic = miracle[or anything you call it]
    Mana + fire magic = fireball.

    Well, everything is bound by some law.
     
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    SenjiQ [Wise, for a Bird]

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    but you and the apple are linked by you eating it, its mass has become your mass. Inherently, rewinding its time involves rewinding your time, removing mass that has been converted into cellular energy, otherwise your just generating new mass while moving the apple as if it were on rewind.
     
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    Using molecules in the environment around the bridge via magic would qualify as reconstruction since we're not using the original material.
     
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    You cannot rewind the memories too otherwise your thought process will repeat and you will do it over and over again until an outside force stops you.
     
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    Since mana can be considered neutral "energy" you don't really need a converter, just a will for the energy to take a specific form via the use of incantions, chants, magic circles, etc. Though the above could be considered converters, instead of a lamp they would be "pulling the lamp string".
     
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    That's pretty much conjuring something from nothing (In a magic sense). Rearranging molecules is OP
     
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    why is there even a debate?

    it's not time science logic- it's time MAGIC

    it's magic. it's not bound by the rules of science. it is defined by the will of the one who made it up.

    science=rules and logic
    magic= fuck rules and logic
     
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    LordCorwin Supreme Book Lord; Leader of the Fiction Faction

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    Exactly the same as the apple in the previous example.
     
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    Magic still has to obey some rules otherwise it would be in chaos and unusable. Spells, incantations, magic circles, etc. just define the rules that it needs to able. Also since a person is casting it, it has to have some logic and must achieve some purpose.
     
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    again... depends on the will of the writer. some rules are merely: memorize the spell to cast it, have mana to cast it, have this affinity to use it.

    magic and logic? really? magic defies logic- which is why it's magic and not science.

    in the realm of fiction... anything goes.
     
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    Well he ain't named Dr. Strange for nothin :p guess oddity prolly means normal to him
     
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    My big thought provoking question is, would you read a fiction novel that is completely random and follows no plot or anything? Because other people read novels that author's write, it has to at least have the appearance of making sense in some way, shape, or form. I'm not disagreeing that anything can go, it's just that it has to make sense why it "goes".
     
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    Miri-Bell Semi-crazy Magic Cat

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    Right, anything may go, but that anything needs a structure in order to be understood. Because if the audience can't understand it due to it's lack of cohesiveness then they are less likely to like it. That's why any good series that has magic in it has rules for the magic.
     
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    Most people don't need an underlying structure that explains why the magic works the way it does, they just naturally accept that it works as stated. I'd even say that most stories that involve a lot of magic (or futuristic technology) are inconsistent at some point, and not many people will notice and even fewer will care.

    It's extremely rare for authors to even attempt a thorough explanation of the magic (or advanced science) in their stories, because of course it's all made up and the more you try to fit it into a reality where it doesn't actually exist, the more problems you'll introduce that need further explanation. In order to fully explain it in a way that's consistent with reality, it would need to actually be real.
     
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    star wars made more sense (4-6) before they introduced midichlorians. the force was just the force.

    why do xianxia people fly? how can they use weapons heavier than they are? no one cares... it's fiction.

    it doesn't have to be logical. was any magic in dr strange explained in a process acceptable to physics? i think not. you accept magic- because it's magic. that's how it is. the apple will do whatever the friggin author wants it to- because yes... it's magic.

    rules? i cast it- i bend the rules of physics to the extent the writer wills it.
    it doesn't make physics sense? that's why it's magic.