LCD The Wizard World

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  1. raifan

    raifan Well-Known Member

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    It's easy to see why people think badly of Leylin. He uses people and care little about the impact his actions will have on others. Hell, he tricked 4 people and killed them in order to get a coin to help him see the future. Also, he doesn't have way better results. They are all MCs, so they all have great results because of their actions.

    Still, I personally like Leylin. At least he stays true to his character. Really love how he is written.
     
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    It's not the numbers but the logic behind those numbers - nobles (and plenty powerful ones) are running away from their country with everything they have, soldiers from other countries turn into bandits and risk their lives to loot that property - so it definitely should be a very substantial amount. Hell, even school itself considers donation of 10 thousand gold enough to build and put a memorial statue on its grounds!
    But their yearly tuition (i.e. 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, 40 weeks, cheapest course of 20 gold per hour) is 24 thousand gold!
    Would you really put a statue for someone that has donated just a small part of the required tuition?
    Another problem is with the course length- learning a language in 10 hours, seriously? And even two of them at the same time? Are those courses made for people with chips?
    Their classes are also composed of people with completely different amount of experience.
    How exactly are you going to teach beginners and advanced learners at the same time?

    The very least that school should be providing for them all is personal tutoring - not communal education for 13 different students at the same time! And one shouldn't be able to buy it in portions of 1 hour classes - the minimum should be something like 10 hours, as at least 1 or 2 would have to be spent by the teacher to get proper estimation of the student's foundation.
     
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    Agreed on all points.

    I just wanted to raise that the author also messed up his distances in the starting area. So as far as I know any number used (maybe even including the stats) have been arbitrary and not matching the rest of the story.
     
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    Wait wait i think you guys jumped to some wrong Numbers there, to Finish a course a student need's to assist 10 classes (from that course), with 2 classes costing 20g or each class costing 10g, so 13 students would give 1300g for a complet course, 30 min classes sound short and all but the lvl is not high in that place...also a student only need's to finish 3 courses to get a shot at the recommendation exam...
     
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    Ermm, maybe because you can´t farm most magical plants "industrial" because as in most fantasy stories the real wanted ones are heavily dependent on the environment. they do farm many magical herbs and such in pocket dimension, in case you forgot, but just not enough.
    Even in modern times there are many many many also very healthy, good and wanted plants, crops and fruits, you can´t farm industrial.
    And there are many animals we can´t even clone successfully nor breed or forcefully brred successfully. the Magi are working with animals that have many mysterious abilitties and tend to be stronger than magi on the same rank.
    To me it sounds very scripted and less logic that they can just farm all the rare, and precious herbs they need, they won´t be rare or precious anymore and becoming a Mage won´t be anything special. but it beeing special is beeing the whole point of the story.

    I think you mistook something? he granted 3 guys who had no hope in life anymore a chance to achieve their dreams, to gather up the materials he needed for his Sword, 1 commited suicide and leylin only killed the last 2.
    he killed 2 guys for the Coin. one was a evil traitor and the other was a stupid shounen hero who couldn´t have saved the Twilight zone without masses of bloodshed and lets not talk about the Chaos that guy would have left behind, even if he had managed to defend against the dark elves. Soo, it´s not really evil, especially if you remember, NO Magus is a good person. Thats the whole point of the magus world, they are intelligent, rational people, that will do anything from rape, betrayal and murder, to massmurder and genocide, as long as it gets them a profit. Soo, it´s not really evil to kill and use magi.
    And if you ask me, he thinks harder about the impact his actions have than about 99% of all MCs ever written xD
     
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    They want not the plants, but their properties - so you don't really need to farm exactly that plant.
    Analyze them, get their genome, find what genes are responsible for the needed properties, what proteins and the like are needed - and add them to some commonly and easily grown herbs. Perfectly viable for those chips of theirs.

    And even on a more primitive level, modern selection/breeding processes can drastically improve yields.

    And it's not just farming, it is all forms of industrial processes : potion and pill creation, items crafting, etc. - all of those can be improved manyfolds both in quantity and quality.
    Even apprentices themselves - proper eugenics program can drastically improve talent throughout the population.
     
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    You can't say that they had no hope in life. One of those people was was on his way to at least being a rank 1, before Leylin soul searched him. Secondly, you can't say he gave them a chance to achieve their dreams because they didn't have a choice. Leylin current dream is to break the limits of his bloodline, but he wouldn't do it if it meant that he would be controlled. Just as those guys most likely wouldn't have done the stuff they did if it they knew they would go crazy and it would lead to their death soon after.
    I never said that he was evil just that I can see why others wouldn't care for him or be put off by him. Also, it doesn't really matter if he was doing it to a "good person" or not. If the person was an enemy, it would be understandable; but not a random person or a person who he is far more stronger than and has done nothing to him.

    And besides his personal benefit, how does he think harder about the impact of his actions the other MCs? He is a character that only cares about himself (for the most part) so his thoughts would only be concerned on how his actions impact his future.
     
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    So what you are saying is, sure it would cost 24,000 gold a year to study the same amount as a normal student does irl.

    But they are not actually expected to study that much. Instead they are expected to attend an average of 10 minutes of lecture per month, and the rest of the time is spent cultivating/murdering each other for cultivation resources/self learning outside of class

    that sounds abound standard for a magic academy CN LN story
     
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    Lol,then tell me how do other MCs act normally, huh? Most off the time they do small minded egoisticall business and either get pulled into affairs or stick their noses into other peoples business without care for the greater picture or how their actions will make other people suffer or in what political changes this will end. Or the Xianxia/wuxia idiots, killing people left and right because they insulted them, just to provoke their family clan in the end . thats all great for the story, but those actions don´t really reflect any thought about, what impact their actions will have in the future.
    Leylins utmost goal, is his own life and wellbeeing, thats very different from just benefits. He actually helps people most of the time, because he knows, that what is good for others is also going to benefit him.THATS thinking about your actions and their consequences. If he can avoid it, he neither triggers war, nor slaughter. He can give up on benefits, when it´s too dangerous, but also takes risks if the chances are feesable. But he´s also not stupid enough to leave remanants for a "to be continued" ending.
    Having a stupid or NO moral codex and jumping into situations without care nor a picture of the actual situation, THATS not thinking about the impact of your action. And thats, what most protagonists do. Ultimately most of the time, they bring more harm than good, by handling their problems badly, which is ok, since in those storiey it´s needed to develope the story. But beeing rational and thinking about pros and cons of your actions and your benefits isn´t the same, as just thinking about your own personal benefit.
    I can´t think of an MC right now, that doesn´t act less for his own benefits than leylin
    And maybe, doesn´t love anyone passionately, but it doesn´t mean he doesn´t care about HIS people, future family or even the family of the guy whos body he got reincarnated in.
    He didn´t HAVE to send someone to protect the Farlier clan.
    And he could have just fled from the oroboros clan, when they got done in.
    he´s not shameless, he knows gratitude and loyality(in moderation)
    that all doesn fit only caring about personal benefit
     
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    The problem is, that magic is not science.
    Magical properties are heavily dependent on the outer influence Not the genes. Even if you can clone the properties into another plant, it won´t change the energy particle, magic and ripening process they need. Most magical plant work due to the accumulation of the influence of their surroundings.
    It´s as the old saying goes :the whole, is more than the sum of its parts.
    Same goes for most rare animals they need. most very strong creatures need 1000 years and more to even mature and not because the grow slowly(in a world where shape shifing is normal, that would be illogical), but because they need to accumulate magic, influence and resources.Try making a herd of creatures that not only need your whole life to mature and each by themselves is a bit stronger than you, as intelligent as you and really doesn´t like you, or the rest of the herd.

    and to "potion and pill creation, items crafting, etc.", in WMW, they can´t/have as far as they can . the magi already have technology and standards very similar to our today standard. There is a passage somewhere in the earlier chapters , that magi have for example mikroscopes on a high standard, just that they can´t compete with the Ai ship that can scan on atomic level. And that only for normal magi, Morning star and above and also find things on an atomic level, if the search for it. Their laboratories even satisfy leylins needs, who lived in our future.
    And in general, you can´t índustrialize something, without the needed resources and a complete understanding of it.
    You can´t 3D print a gold ring without gold or even the idea how to make a 3D printer for gold.
    You can´t just create rare ores from nothing.
    In many many Chinese novels, medical plants are the best after ripening for a few hundred or thousand years. You can´t industrialize something like that in a sense of giant farms.
    And this leads to the point, with already few resources, why bother with making even more competition? there are already millions of magi, why heighten the the chance for them to be born?
    And they actually have selective breeding in the Warlock clans to slow the dregrading of the bloodlines.
    Which again, can´t be stopped without the resources.
    There is no industry without an abundance of resources.
    int he end, all that modern science can to in a world thats abundant with magic, is ease the life of the normal population, which isn´t a goal of the magi.
     
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    I agree with everything you said, but this line there reminded me that there are a good number of those novels that have cultivators who are millions of years old.

    But they don't tend to rely much on resource consumption in those stories. Particularly not organic resources. Those where cultivations need to consume a lot of resources to grow their cultivation tends to have much much much shorter lifespans. to the point where it would be as impractical as you said to farm it.

    Although a sufficiently old family might be able to theoretically farm things like 1000 year old ginseng via staggering the harvest (don't even need that big a plot of land). the problem is that they will be ganged up on and murdered by people keen to get a big swoop of resources in their lifetime. And that is assuming they even last 1000 years for this thing to become stable in the first place. I mean, talk about ridiculously long term investment.

    Actually, this reminds me of coiling dragon ring. Even though it was always about comprehension and never really about resources... in actuality mortal souls could actually be used to refine the colden core for consumption which massively improves a cultivator in both strength and visualization talent. MC got infinite amount of those crystals instead that worked with his ring to give him optimal intake of soul growth stuff so he didn't need them. But treating humans like cattle actually would be very attractive for gods. Oh, and then there is the fact they can be made to worship you for additional buff too!
    That is actually useful for light magi as it increases the amount of talented youths for them to recruit. People with class 5 talent can advance even without resources, just through meditation. By massively increasing the muggle pop they massive increase the number of potential rank 5s for them to recruit.

    ... then again, the light magi actually refuse to recruit commoners with talent. and suffer from overpopulation. Only dark magi recruit commoners in order to make up for their brutal attrition in their murder academies. and dark magi do not believe in cultivating mortals. those are like weeds, reproduce on their own.
     
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    let's stop discussing about others unrelated stuff and focus on
    The wizard world
    okay guys/girls?
    chapter 39
    the path to become a wizard is in sight
     
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    Actually in zhanxian, he got his hand on this bottle garden with very many 1000 year old profound yang fruits, if i remember the name correctly, but i wouldn´t call 1 big farm thats might be just about enough for 1 sect or big Clan to get by with "indusrtialization". You can´t really putomize it, nor cann you massproduce anything with just this.
    Thats more like, how you do whiskey. You can only make as many barrels as you have storage and then you habe to wait a few decades. And then, you would have to build more storage and make mor wiskey barrels every day to have a constant supply of good whicskey once the first period is over. And then you could start rotating it, but who could actually work this out? There are very few sects that would actually exist long enough to get even 1 batch of their stuff xD
    And no matter how many you plant, if you can´t provide their need of nutritions(magic), the less effective they will be, no matter how old they grow. And natural place with abundant spirit energy, or how ever you want to call it, has better uses than growing plants on it xD
    In WMW they also don´t NEED teh resources, as long as they don´t have a meditation technique thatsh not reliant on things from otehr world. leylin as a warlock would have reached morning star sooner or later, no matter what, as long as he didn´t die xD
     
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    Not in these stories.
    It's just the laws of the universe are a bit more "flexible" in them.
    But still, if they repeat the same experiment - they get the same results, which is pretty much the definition of science.

    It is still biochemistry, only supernatural - you can determine what kind of energy particles/radiation they absorbed, and what internal structures of those plants were responsible for it.
    Only instead of relying on natural "photosynthesis", AI chips can make "solar panels" and batteries to skip all the "thousands years" bullshit and minuscule yields.
     
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    Read what I said. He doesn't care about how is action impact others (not linked to him). I said he only cares about himself, for the most part. Yes, he cares about those who he considers his people. He showed care for his people in the Twilight Zone by leaving the statue so they would be protected and now he is showing care for those in his Clan.
    Leylin has stuck his nose into others business without care for who it impacts or the political atmosphere his actions would create. And you are wrong, most MCs kill those who have insulted them because those people usually take it a step further and actually try to kill them. I'm pretty sure there would be some line like "you tried to kill me, so why wouldn't I kill you". Wow, pretty much the same scenario that Leylin found himself in when getting the inheritance. Most of the time when these type of issues occur, the MCs are pushed into it by the other guy trying to kill them.

    Couple of points
    1) His well-being is the upmost benefit. How can you say that it's different from benefits when that is the main benefit. It makes no sense.
    2) He helps people if he thinks it would benefit him, just like most MCs. Although some would help just to help.
    3) Most MCs gives up benefits when it is too dangerous. They would say something about their strength not being enough. Now, the story still ends up putting them in that path to gain that benefit, but not because of their own choosing.
    4) I'm pretty sure he left an angered rank 3 when he left for the twilight zone. He clearly knew what he was doing when he angered that power. Who knows what is happening with his family now. To be continued...
    5) In the above, it shows how he "jumping into situations without care nor a picture of the actual situation", anyone connected to him would be in great danger. But he mostly cares about his own personal benefit, so he did it anyway, and left. Also, this wasn't the first time his decision ended up offending a power he couldn't contend with and could harm others.

    Just because I said that he doesn't care about the impact of his actions more than most MCs, doesn't mean I am saying the opposite is true. I'll say they are about the same, thinking about their own benefits above all else.

    In either case, like what I said from the start, I can see why people would be put off by his actions. And like other MCs, he gets the results that he cares about.
     
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    Like i said, they do farm some plants by replicating the best possible environment, but they cant in a way to satify everyones needs.
    And that is a point you don´t seem to understand. Photosynthesis needs the sun and CO2 in the air. Now both of those are very abundant in most worlds. But the same DOESN`T count for magic, DUH
    Thats the point why they NEED those plants. because the are banks of magics power and mysterious effects. If they could create Magic from nothing and special effects they can´t even understand because their understanding of the power itself isn´t sufficient, why the heck would they need to scavenge those plants?
    You can´t create something from nothing, at least not in the worlds with AI chips.
    You cant industrialize something, if there are neither resources nor benefits in it.


    i didn´t mean the situations where they are FORCED to kill the other. i was speaking about most Jianghu acts, where they kill or fight the other, because he offended. And by that offend the 3 times as strong Mofo Dad that can easily crush the MC, just because the MC couldn´t controle his Ego.
    WHO would care about every stranger in the world? Leylin can´t save whole worlds, so he won´t ry to. but at least he is intelligent enough to not kick up Wars that will pull whole countries and clans into misery, while many MC act in ways that end in this end, because of their actions alone.
    I agree with 1-2 more or less. just he also helps as long as it doesn´t has a demerit and doesn cost him anything, remember for example the little Warlock girl he saved when he was on the run himself.
    to 3, sure they run, when someone way stronger comes their way. But they are often stupid enough to offend those people by killing or hurting their kin because of petty reasons, while leylin acts respectfull to pretty much everyone. Even when he decides to stop a situation that has nothing to do with him, he does it in a way that won´t implicate him.
    You can´t blame him for 4 and 5. Yes he angered a rank 3, and why? because he was still rank 2 and had nothing to act against the emotional instability of his bloodline. So it´s not his fault. if you try to remember, that is one of the only things which he himself regrets, because his bloodline ruined his calm. he would have never killed that guy.
     
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    Kill because they are offended? I disagree with this. When most MCs are offended they respond in kind or ignore it. Usually the other person attacks or offers a duel. It is not often that an MCs gets offended by words and then just attacks on his own with the aim to kill. Maybe in an attempt to rescue someone. Still, I can't think of many situations where the MC isn't pushed into a fight. Unless you mean the MC should not insult back or should reject a duel.
    In terms of wars, I don't think most MCs start wars either. Usually they (clans,sects, etc) are already on shakey ground. So it can't be because of the MCs actions alone. Especially if said war was because the MC decides to protect himself.

    In terms of number 3, some even decide that they aren't going to get involved but get dragged in. Again, what are the petty reasons? Most authors try to draw their MCs as a hero. So most won't kill until provoked. We are talking about most MCs. Also, in terms of respect, this novel is different that most. There might be some sneering, but it is rare that insults are thrown when they are not clear enemy's yet. Everything is done in an underhand way. You can't blame the other MCs for not being respectful when he himself first gets insulted.
    In terms of 4 and 5, it wouldn't have mattered if he didn't kill that guy. Leylin was after the treasure that the rank 3 wanted. So would have angered him anyway. The son knew who he was and saw the spell that he performed. Leylin knew what he was doing when he decided to chase after the treasure when he left auction. He knew a rank 3 was looking to acquire that treasure and he knew about his inability to control his emotions. So 4 still stands. He left an angered rank 3, who would have still been angered if Leylin didn't kill his son. He most likely would have held his family hostage looking for a trade.

    In terms of 5, he knew that he had an issue controlling his emotions. So anything he does there is an unknown risk and he knows that. You can't say he gets a pass because he didn't think things through when you are arguing that it is his strength.
     
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    i will be the nosy guy and write this
    DO IT IN http://forum.novelupdates.com/threads/warlock-of-the-magus-world.2468/
    what's the point of discussing it in this tread ?
     
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    ch. 40
    Ok so a Meditation Book, with a sexy Ghost Guardian/Door Keeper ;) and some side info over a wizard marked that opens evry 50 years !!
    For some reason i don´t think the Professor didn´t know that info and is still hiding more....
     
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    Recruiting mortals every 50 years is so damn stupid. They could literally miss entire generations of talented youths this way.

    And of course the MC would luck out and come just as they recruit too.
     
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