Being Misunderstood

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AliceShiki

『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』, Female
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It's a really funny experience to actively talk to strangers over the web.

When you're talking to people IRL, you are generally a lot more careful with the what and how you say people, because they're your friends/acquaintances, and you don't really want to get in a bad mood with them due to a pointless discussion. Same goes for online friends, you wouldn't really want to harm them.

On the other hand, you can be as blunt and direct as you want to strangers, because... Hey, they're strangers after all! It's not like they matter anything~

Sure, I try to not be too rude, but I don't really sugar-coat what I'm saying when talking to those strangers on the web.


This leads to some funny scenarios.

Sometimes, our opinion just drastically diverges with someone else's, or at others, it diverges even with the vocal minority... But it is still our opinion anyway, and when you have a good basis on your opinion, it's really hard for someone to make it sway.

However... People tend to try taking the moral high-ground when creating discussions about things on the web... And I don't know about you, but I looooove picking up fights with strangers on the moral high ground, it's just so fun~

The first time it happened was when the whole Qidian Drama started, in which there were basically the WW supporters, the Qidian supporters (which quickly disappeared), and the people that didn't care... I'm part of the group that doesn't care, but I like picking fights, so I'm vocal about it~

The 2nd time was more recent, on a discussion about an E-book made by GT, in which the OP argued about how GT made some bad decisions and just made a poor job and left a cliffhanger on the book and betrayed readers and yada yada... Well, I just tried saying that putting a cliffhanger on the end of the book is a well-thought business decision to make more people buy the next book.

The 3rd one is happening right now actually, I'm on a debate with a guy talking about how the patreon change ruins the 1$ pledges... While I'm basically saying that the 1$ pledges make no difference to the content creator at all~


Agree or disagree to me, I can assure you those were the core of my posts and I rarely deviated from it... Well, here is the deal.

Sooner or later those people notice that they can't really make you sway, but they're petty (not like I a not petty, I am veeeeeeeery petty), and they want to win an internet argument with a random stranger... But hey! I am also petty! I just said that! I want to win it!

So, they try using the moral high ground, on the first 2 scenarios I just go labeled as Qidian supporter and herald of evil, bringer of doom to the WN translation scene and all those things any of the Qidian supporters get. Which is honestly laughable since I never read a single novel that came from Qidian, I just don't read stuff with 4 digits of chapters, I don't have time for it.

On the 3rd case, I started getting accused of belittling the people that give 1$ pledges... Now that's mean, I mean, I think donating and supporting your favorite content creators is a pretty nice act, I would do it myself if I didn't struggle to make ends meet every month. Still, I won't delude myself thinking a 1$ donation will make any difference on someone's paycheck at the end of the month, nor will 30 of those, you'd need thousands of those donations... And if you have thousands of people donating, you definitely have people donating higher amounts, so the 1$ donations will make no difference.

So... My point was basically that the 1$ donations were essentially coffee money... But well, that's that, I'm not here to talk about the patreon thing.


My point is more... It's funny~
"You disagree with me, therefore you're evil! You're a supporter of the 'monster'!" "You are belitting the goodwil of those people that are giving what they can!"

Like, sure, disagree all you want with me, but I'm just being honestly blunt about my view on the topic, I'm not supporting Qidian, I'm not saying the people donating 1$ are worthless people or anything like that, I'm just talking about the events surrounding those things...

I wonder if people take moral high ground on purpose to try and make my argument sound "evil" because they're petty (like I said above), or if their eyes just got clouded by their emotions and make their judgement see something I did not say, misunderstanding my actual point (what the blog title is all about).

I just started wondering about this I guess, I once said my mom was "being stupid" due to some discussion we were having, and no matter how many times I highlighted the "being" part, she just kept on saying that after all her hardwork, what she got was that her daughter said she "is stupid"...

It just strikes me as strange I guess, I can be a really biased person, and I can remember a lot of small pointless things people say, but I definitely don't put words on their mouths...

I wonder if it's actually normal to put what you think the other party thinks as what they said just because you are in an argument with them... I never experienced that on my side, so I feel like it is not... But at the same time, it's at least the 4th time it happens to me, so maybe it's actually more common than I might imagine.

Well, it was just a blog with me wondering about this strange occurrence that keeps happening to me, there is not much more to it.

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    1. AliceShiki Dec 15, 2017
    2. Raneday Dec 14, 2017
      tl;dr: @akki's real gender is often being misunderstood
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    3. AMissingLinguist Dec 13, 2017
      I don't like that you called your mom stupid, but I can see what you're typing about. There should always be someone to represent both sides of an argument, and having one side being labelled "evil" can be a misrepresentation of their side. Of course, while on NUF, I'm just going to stick to my popcorn. :blobpopcorn_cool::blobpopcorn_cool::blobpopcorn_cool::blobpopcorn_cool::blobpopcorn_cool::blobpopcorn_cool::blobpopcorn_cool::blobpopcorn_cool::blobpopcorn_cool::blobpopcorn_cool::blobpopcorn_cool::blobpopcorn_cool::blobpopcorn_cool::cookie:
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    4. AliceShiki Dec 13, 2017
      @readerz *laughs* I agree that people nitpicking on details is really annoying... Though I tend to just laugh it off most of the time.

      Well, I think it is hard to misunderstand what I meant tbh, it's just that it wasn't the first time, so I started wondering if it was actually something that happened to other people from time to time...
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    5. readerz Dec 13, 2017
      Meh, the one thing I hate is when people get super caught up in nitpicking details, especially semantics like earlier.

      "It's not a donation, it's a pledge!"

      You m'fker, lol a pledge on Patreon is a donation, what are you on about? Pfft! Why does anyone even care? *rolls eyes* :ROFLMAO: FYI, "A donation is an outright gift, while a pledge is a promise to donate later." Practically all of the $1 tier pledges on Patreon have no rewards. :rolleyes:

      I don't think you were misunderstood. Some people just like to argue over super petty things that no one really cares about except for epeen points.
    6. AliceShiki Dec 12, 2017
      @m7vpc Oh, I agree that taking the moral high ground isn't bad per se, it depends on the circumstances involved... In general, I think the moral high ground is good for as long as you use it not because you wish to paint your opponent as evil, but simply when you use it as part of your beliefs, naturally dragging the audience to your side.

      Hmmmmm, I think the OP only took the moral high ground when they tried to push me as a Qidian supporter, so as to say that he is right because I was supporting the evil... Until then, his posts were only naive IMO.

      Ah, I don't read xianxia in general btw, not really a genre I'm fond of, the only one I'm reading is Liu Yao, since I'm the editor of it~

      I am liking it quite a bit though, so it's good~

      Ah, and as for the last spoiler... No way! I won't enter into a debate on blogs! Quoting things here is too tiresome!!! >.<


      @icerror I find it funny that people can't read 500 words on a community of readers...

      I mean, I sent one PM to a friend of mine, in which I typed for 3h non-stop... (so... Probably some 3-4k words) Like... She never replied to the whole of it, but she did read it all, and I'm thankful for it.

      Feels a bit weird to see the TL:DR mentality on a community of readers... >.>
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    7. icerror Dec 12, 2017
      Same. But I blame the internet. Ain't nobody got the time to ready a 500+ word mini-essay to completely clarify their view. Worse yet, even if you do people will often believe what they want to believe, cause, hey, not enough chaos in the world. People want to rant and they will rant regardless.
    8. m7vpc Dec 12, 2017
      To clarify to anyone else, I believe that taking the "moral high ground" isn't inherently wrong.
      Martin Luther King Jr. refused to be violent towards his opponents when they were violent back.

      Anyways, similarly to you, I love to debate people on the internet. In addition to your reasons, I feel that debating on the internet gives both sides more time to digest each other's posts and comeback with a better defense, either supported by other articles or avoiding mistakes in your position.

      I looked into and read the forum discussing GT's practices with the E-book "King of Gods".
      https://forum.novelupdates.com/thre...ebooks-aka-how-to-avoid-ruining-a-book.53714/
      To be fair, the OP didn't really take the "moral high ground", unless I was mistaken and you can show me. He had some legitimate complaints against the practices of GT but his point of the discussion was to share tips on how to publish novels/e-books. Recommending practices and sharing tips in his case isn't positioning himself in a "moral high ground".

      I didn't look at the other examples, but I can see where people might think you as being "evil" for supporting a very polarized issue.

      Moving on, I'd love a good debate, but for the most part, I don't debate to change the other person's mind. My goal is to crush the opponent's argument so that the audience can see how flawed the opponent's argument is. When people see holes in someone's argument, they themselves can make a decision to believe in my proposition, my opponent's proposition, or something different.

      Anyways,
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      was that you don't read things over 1000 chapters.
      And ISSTH was over 1000 chapters.
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      kys.


      You mentioned that someone should live to be selfish, but I disagree immensely because it is immoral and impractical + other reasons. (I played the moral high ground card and you can't resist it).
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