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Psst.. how is it that the eerie night of darkness is the perfect ember for ideas to burn through?

So as usual, night calls for some pause and introspection on the day, and some (well mostly) mystical contemplation of life.


Here I am stuck in the cusp of discovering the hidden meaning of life in the universe, of uncovering its eons of secrets, and have come across a hurdle that I failed to pass, so after a long deliberation I've come to the conclusion that my perception alone is not enough to unveil all the layers.


So nuffians, help me in this universal quest.



Why are we so lost in the days when we are aware of its insignificance in life?

Why do we seek metals of shine, and nectars of sweetness when we know it is all made of same?


Why is it that we see ourselves better in every shape and manner when we are yet to meet others ?


Why is the world so cognizant of life yet so Indifferent to its plight ?


We hold hands of truce and yet point our spear tails at their necks, why do we lust for more from others?


What is it that makes us so diverse in minds, from blind faiths to human extinction, we birth so many kinds, why?

Are we wrong in our judgment, are we just in our discrimination, or our we blinded by knightly effervescence?



Questions my friend which answered still leaves us in a paradox of fairness....

who are we to judge ourselves mighty?

Who are we in the endless cosmos, neither past our galaxy nor our sun.


We eat and sleep content in our deluded faith of righteousness, we tell tales of gods and heroes, myths and legends of demons and yet here we are still gobsmacked at petty rockets reaching the edge of earth.


We delve in our vanity so deep, that none seek the freedom from it...not even the saints of west and east.



Here my friends we find another another conundrum.


Who am I to judge the same of my kin, am i not Indulging in its voracious deeds?


Why do we harbour such thoughts ? Why do we question anything and everything?

What is it that made us this?



If there is an end at the road of discoveries, are we to plough ahead anyway?


What is there at the end of time? Isn't mortal death similar?


Brethren of all directions, I have an answer, yet it is flawed....it misses the judgement of others of same mind and soul.



We are a mistake of creation, an abomination which is consious where its not supposed to be, an infection in the wrong space of time and dimension, we are aliens to this quiet jungle of slumbering bodies.


Our thoughts wake actions of destruction, reconstruction, reconfiguration....if this is was right we would be treading not a road of war and plight but of peace and bliss!


Our questions brings forth validation of materials not of us, not of our rights to judge...we know it wrong in our bones and souls. Proving that law of this universe doesn't approve of our thoughts.



Our survival is dependent on consuming reality around us...we distort what was to what we need....and so we meet obstructions of inadequacy, of morals of consuming one over the other...

If this was just, why would there not be a eternal solution to our needs?


If the heavens of this universe wanted our existence why would it keep us with paradoxical and eternal needs?


Yes my friends, you must have thought it too... every religion speaks of the beyond that fosters our existence, and yet in reality every heads of relegion are aware we are on our own in seeking survival.



It is but for the simple reason, we are not Indigenous.






Ps: if you have read till here...jeez thanks...I'm sure this is has interested and has found some common grounds to your philosophy...

While mine is a bit extinction level conclusion, it does have a valid point of us being always in a loop of conundrums, everything we seek needs more resources, more bending of reality by technological advances...and we know It in our hearts the end is but changing the universe and alike in our images....and where is this images from? Who dictated these? A universe certainly won't create something that metamorphs its own creator in its greed.

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    1. Zeusomega Nov 1, 2021
      @Servant to One

      hmm yeah....I can totally see your point of view.....Good is met with good so it can be attributed to god's way, following a set of rules accepted by masses will gain trust, connections, and pride which is also beneficial.... there's a lot of good stuff in believing in it...

      Going through hard times by praying for strength and support to a God does psychologically help a person to endure till the good times...which again is felt like strength given by God, if not how could I a weak person who never had confidence in this task could get through it? It must be the miracles...even I get into this mindset so I get it.


      It also helps in training our mind to think in a positive manner all the time....which is good to society and the person.



      In the end it does give us the ultimate motive to strive ahead....


      It was good discussion, though I wanted to continue, I don't want to hurt anyones beliefs...that totally upends what finding the truth is all about.


      So

      alsalam ealaykum warahmat allah wabarakatuh ya sadiqi hafizakum allahu



      Ps: just in case this is what I translated

      Peace and happiness in your journey my friend, may Allah watch over you.

      Can't F trust google on translation
    2. Servant to One Nov 1, 2021
      I do not think we are going to get to a common understanding. In Islam we say you have your way and we have ours. Be that as it may, I hope you will be guided to the truth.
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    3. Zeusomega Oct 31, 2021
      1.You are making a fallacy actually an appeal ad ignorantiam fallacy. Just because we can't prove something exist does not mean that the something does not exist and vice versa. However there is in actuality that evidence point that God exists. See we are contingent being meaning we could've existed or not existed but seeing that we exist means that something must have happend to make us exist and that something cannot be another contingent being as that would lead to infinite regression. However, it must be an independent being that is all powerful i.e God. Also you are already making a presumptions that these miracles could not be of divine origin. Since you can neither prove it or disprove it, it can either be of divine origin or not.

      Me: nah buddy, you are speaking on spiritual truths taken from historical records...which are written by men who went philosophical into higher beings...

      Also let me just back track a bit and clear something.... I believe in something higher...damn I spoke about us being an infestation of another realm how could I not believe in higher beings? I just don't believe in a human nurturing god or gods...(well I say that but in my weakness I do pray...I'm not free from my upbringing XD)

      While I'm speaking on what we know you are speaking about what we don't know.

      My conjecture is from my daily life, if you want me to see divinity ...sorry it feels forced. Cause then God is so freaking diabolical and sadistic that I will start to fear heaven more than hell...

      In my heart if divinity is true, it must surpass many paradoxical enigmas and make it true that everyone can be happy in life.

      2. Heaven for me is that I will be rewarded with things that makes me forever happy and that I will be in a state of fitrah or purity. You are assuming that God an all powerful creator cannot provide you with something better in Heaven and also a coma would cause your muscles to atrophy and make my life worse.

      Me: why? If we are all part of a pure higher being why is he/her/it testing us? For what gains?

      Again like I say, grounding any theory on basis of the next phase is just false.

      3. Who said it cannot be done now? You just need to follow God's words as closely as you can and if you do make a mistake repent God is All Forgiving and All Merciful. You are generalising that everybody has strayed away, true there may be some people who stray away but some has obeyed God. How you may ask? Throught giving divine guidance through prophets who preach the word of God.

      Me: if he is all forgiving I'm sure 99% of all sinners are partying in heaven for most of them at the ends of their life go on a spiritual tour...even offenders on death row get a chance to make amends...if they end up in heaven even after all that....why not just give a express ticket now ?

      My thought was that none of us are following the relegion of old, it will be breaking many social norms... There's no make amends and start again.

      4. I do not quite understand.

      Me: forget it.. >.>

      5. Slave to God is not equal to being a slave to our and desires. Since God has given us a choice to either be a slave to him or a slave to your desires. Meaning being a slave to God is you following his commandments and repent when you make mistakes. God in Islam has attributes that cannot be seperated from him and one of them is All Knowing. Meaning He knows of which we do not know, so since He is that following His commands is the best way to based our society upon. Since He is All Knowing.

      Me: you are hardcore on assuming of his intents based simply on preaches of mortal men who have their own intents and freedom to manipulate the texts...we created his/her image, the more detailed we go the more of our vanity and indulgence is shown.... Don't be hardcore religious, again I'm not against it..but it should be in reasonable range.

      5. We humans have a desire to survive that is a basic fact. Although comparing ourselves to an animal is a false equivalence due to us having the ability to speak, think and have a religion. Humans to have the ability and desire to help others is need to we are both selfish and helpful. In that regards. Onto religion, in Islam, we are allowed to defend. ourselves, does that promotes violence? No, since the acts of unjust violence is sinful and objectively wrong. It is not promoted if you are a muslim. Atheist om the other hand like Stalin seemed to like killing people though, does that mean atheism promotes violence?

      Me: buddy, animals have empathy too...in the same way we do...it's all on how we perceive things... Atheism is not a relegion...or atleast from what I know...I'm not an atheist, not cause I'm against it but cause I'm not fully against relegion either.

      About violence, please don't...the track that this will lead to can lock this thread... relegions across the globe have bathed in blood of sinned and innocent...world wars, Jews, or any modern stuffs isn't the only genocides.

      6. You assumed that killing is wrong because it is morally wrong? When you do not have any morals to based it on. If we did not have any All Knowing creator to guide us and tell us morally right and morally wrong, then killing could be either. The Nazis did not believe in God, but they killed millions who believed in it. So religion and the people who interpret it has no correlation.

      Me: hmm yeah the better word is ethics I guess... ethically it is wrong.... Morals being of a society thing....

      Jeez man, we didn't need someone to tell us lessening our own numbers is wrong....a gathering of hunters based their survival on numbers, in-fighting would just lead to their weakening...suffer and learn, then came growing our influence....the more of our kind on land the more resources one can excavate and share... again killing would lessen man-power.

      Then that slowly developed into creating hierarchies and pleasing people to gain their skill sets...etc....that's not dictated by God in the way you say it...


      I didn't get your Nazi reference....just guessing, Nazi's wrong wasn't in their atheism, but in their faith of superior men...they killed who their leader and his mind alike decreed as lesser beings....god or not didn't decreed anything against or for this at the time.


      Ps: Well I believe in an indifferent being which has some survival goal in letting us grow and fester... While you believe in a anthropomorphized being who is biased towards only his humans and has this game of testing faith (no bottom-line I tell you) for our betterment.

      Anyways... you're backtracking everything you say on the basis of his/her/its existence that is written in times when men were starting to write about skies and their stories for passing time.... How come there's no new relegions now? Scientology is probably too twisted in some alien abduction bull**t...there is no new ones cause we broke quite a few divine barriers of mortals and divine in our technological advances...and that has waned our blind faith.

      Even more so now, when we are touching on creating artificial intelligence...feats of our old gods are being treaded by us...and like the men we are we see the fallacy in their divinity.


      Yet those who do believe in reason of cause and effect know there is something there...but something not what we kept faith in.

      @Servant to One
    4. Servant to One Oct 31, 2021
      1.You are making a fallacy actually an appeal ad ignorantiam fallacy. Just because we can't prove something exist does not mean that the something does not exist and vice versa. However there is in actuality that evidence point that God exists. See we are contingent being meaning we could've existed or not existed but seeing that we exist means that something must have happend to make us exist and that something cannot be another contingent being as that would lead to infinite regression. However, it must be an independent being that is all powerful i.e God. Also you are already making a presumptions that these miracles could not be of divine origin. Since you can neither prove it or disprove it, it can either be of divine origin or not.
      2. Heaven for me is that I will be rewarded with things that makes me forever happy and that I will be in a state of fitrah or purity. You are assuming that God an all powerful creator cannot provide you with something better in Heaven and also a coma would cause your muscles to atrophy and make my life worse.
      3. Who said it cannot be done now? You just need to follow God's words as closely as you can and if you do make a mistake repent God is All Forgiving and All Merciful. You are generalising that everybody has strayed away, true there may be some people who stray away but some has obeyed God. How you may ask? Throught giving divine guidance through prophets who preach the word of God.
      4. I do not quite understand.
      5. Slave to God is not equal to being a slave to our and desires. Since God has given us a choice to either be a slave to him or a slave to your desires. Meaning being a slave to God is you following his commandments and repent when you make mistakes. God in Islam has attributes that cannot be seperated from him and one of them is All Knowing. Meaning He knows of which we do not know, so since He is that following His commands is the best way to based our society upon. Since He is All Knowing.
      5. We humans have a desire to survive that is a basic fact. Although comparing ourselves to an animal is a false equivalence due to us having the ability to speak, think and have a religion. Humans to have the ability and desire to help others is need to we are both selfish and helpful. In that regards. Onto religion, in Islam, we are allowed to defend. ourselves, does that promotes violence? No, since the acts of unjust violence is sinful and objectively wrong. It is not promoted if you are a muslim. Atheist om the other hand like Stalin seemed to like killing people though, does that mean atheism promotes violence?
      6. You assumed that killing is wrong because it is morally wrong? When you do not have any morals to based it on. If we did not have any All Knowing creator to guide us and tell us morally right and morally wrong, then killing could be either. The Nazis did not believe in God, but they killed millions who believed in it. So religion and the people who interpret it has no correlation.
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    5. Zeusomega Oct 31, 2021
      @Servant to One

      1. I do believe that evidence is necessary to prove that something happend or exist but it is just not means to an absolute truth, science is based on a theories and evidence but not all theories turn out to be true. The only way to go about finding the truth should be the all knowing entity providing it and guiding us to Him. If I just give you absurd evidence to a claim does it make the claim true?

      Me: before I go critical about it...just know I'm speaking my mind no ill will, I've said it that I too follow my faith...

      So coming to your point here, I agree till your "...turn out to be true..." After that you are basically contradicting the base of evidence... You are making a un-proved claim that a deity is providing and leading us.... An absurd evidence is better than unquestionable faiths... I mean Itsy bitsy of findings here and there.... divinity found yesterday, that fellow got what he wished for...aren't these absurd evidence? Now tell me aren't the relegions dependant on these kinds of incidents to keep aflame the populations faith?

      2. God, made the heaven to encourage us to stay true to his guidance and that He is all knowing, so his guidance shall eventually lead you to true happiness even after death which is in Heaven.

      Me: ok so what is heaven? What will we be doing there that is satisfying? Will it be where we relive our life were everything goes right? Then how do you define what is right? Our life are defined by both...only right would feel like there are no one else consious other than us.... If it's something else...like in limbo of just satisfaction and sublimity...then I don't know what to say but a coma could probably provide you same, or if it's like living in another mystical world...then boy aren't we going to live in a society where everyones need to be catered? What if there is a clash in desires? If I like a soul and someone else likes her too..and aren't we going to clash? Just simple example...it's more complex.


      3. Now, this world is a test on whether or not you will stay true to his guidance and follow it even if the people around you stray from it.

      Me: hmmm yeah, tell me I'm not well versed in any faith books but I can conjecture that the practice written in those times...are not able to be literally done now....we take only what is right for the times right? So basically everyone has strayed away...

      4. The difference between future and now is that in the future you can change. Maybe for the better or for the worst.

      Me: no not in that way....I meant like how you spoke about this being a test world for the tomorrow kind.. it's always about the future and not the present.

      5. Why do you assume that a religious person is giving his conscious up to God just because he obeys him? He would still retain a sense of individuality even if he submit his will to him, alll the person is doing is obeying the All knowing, All powerful creator. That is the most appropriate relationship between them.

      Me: it's sensitive but anyway I've gone till here so I'll go ahead....No every religion is very strict in its school of thoughts and an upbringing with fear and Providence makes us dependent on that said frequency of consciousness....for example in Christians have this specific sets of principles that binds how they think, how they act and such...that's how their version of society is built and laws are made. We are slaves to our beliefs.... If we are true to it. No other way to say it.

      5. You are assuming that a person cannot do something for someone other than himself which it in itself is a generalisation of the whole human population. Sure a person who donates may hwv some sort of agenda, but should we ignore the fact that said person helped a less fortunate person? No. I'm muslim by the way. Even if a person gives and donate is expecting a reward for his good deed from God it does not make his action any less notable.

      Me: no nothing about it's lesser of a good act...but an acknowledgement that it isn't based on some purity of myths. So we shouldn't base anything else on those kinds of purity as well. Well it's optimistic and good feel to make goals and rules for more happy life ...but inherently we are competitive and do take stuffs just cause we can...do you not want to see your children triumph over others? Do you not want to see yourself earn more than others? Splurge more than others? No matter what we write about being fair, equality etc... We are only satisfied when we achieve something over others...it's in all forms of life...from bacteria to trees...they snatch they take....they do give but it's cause it's adapted to keep the cycle going for its own survival. Not that it's evil or anything again...it's that we are doing something that is changing reality to our survival.

      6. A higher moral goal? What do you base your morality on? Do you believe in objective ot subjective morality? We humans have an innate disposition to feel compassion and that compassion only gets twisted if you do not have any morals to based it on.

      Me: no, our compassion extends only to our immediate selfs...there is this theory I read ...forgot the name... anyway it speaks about how the only reason we humans have care about others is cause we relate to them...your family has your blood so your mind wants your kind existences to prevail and prosper....it isn't anything as noble as you say...only in writings of philosophy and religious are we depicted to be compassionate without reason.

      That twisted is when there is an intent to harm, contort.... Which is actually there in relegions anyway so XD. Morals is just what I perceive right and wrong...and honestly anything we agree on is based on the fact that it will benefit us...so there's nothing holy about it.

      If I harm someone, it grows hate, and hate lead to violence, that leads to disturbance in my flow of life....so harming someone is morally wrong....


      There's no need for a deity to picture it...maybe for the masses where they lack such forethought? Or as generally society is always volatile it has been trained to fear the nature cause it's capable to culling masses so they attach a deity figure that is keeping watch over their sins...well in actual fact it's just a simple cause and effect.

      That's the defining difference between following in blind and knowing what it is based on.



      Ps: well this got too religious for comfort....my main thought was actually about living in this bubble of perfection without really thinking about non living and living as a whole.

      XD though if you are up for it...I'm still up for discussing this ahead...made me think more deeply.
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    6. Servant to One Oct 31, 2021
      @Zeusomega
      I too would like to respond.
      1. I do believe that evidence is necessary to prove that something happend or exist but it is just not means to an absolute truth, science is based on a theories and evidence but not all theories turn out to be true. The only way to go about finding the truth should be the all knowing entity providing it and guiding us to Him. If I just give you absurd evidence to a claim does it make the claim true?
      2. God, made the heaven to encourage us to stay true to his guidance and that He is all knowing, so his guidance shall eventually lead you to true happiness even after death which is in Heaven.
      3. Now, this world is a test on whether or not you will stay true to his guidance and follow it even if the people around you stray from it.
      4. The difference between future and now is that in the future you can change. Maybe for the better or for the worst.
      5. Why do you assume that a religious person is giving his conscious up to God just because he obeys him? He would still retain a sense of individuality even if he submit his will to him, alll the person is doing is obeying the All knowing, All powerful creator. That is the most appropriate relationship between them.
      5. You are assuming that a person cannot do something for someone other than himself which it in itself is a generalisation of the whole human population. Sure a person who donates may hwv some sort of agenda, but should we ignore the fact that said person helped a less fortunate person? No. I'm muslim by the way. Even if a person gives and donate is expecting a reward for his good deed from God it does not make his action any less notable.
      6. A higher moral goal? What do you base your morality on? Do you believe in objective ot subjective morality? We humans have an innate disposition to feel compassion and that compassion only gets twisted if you do not have any morals to based it on.
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    7. Zeusomega Oct 31, 2021
      @Servant to One good now let me break that down..


      Let us first agree that we both agree to evidence is truth? Any amount of varying degree... everybody has that mind you...even a cannibalistic tribe hunts preys on proved theories.


      Now any relegion across the globe has this setting that we are beyond what is our present life, that there is a "better" and "worse" place? Some just have reincarnation but still the thoughts converge to something much more than this mundane existence.

      Why? Why would our creator need more than this reality to validate us? Why the need to create hope of a better place? Shouldn't this be the place?

      Ok let me ask you in another way...do you believe in a possibility of utopia? Not of faith but from mind...

      Would you bet your loved ones life for said utopia?

      Aren't even the heads of relegion saying even if there is a better place we shouldn't neglect this? Why is that?

      Because the natural mindset is such that "if there is much better place why should I suffer anymore?"

      A detterance to suicidal thoughts....

      They bring this acceptance mindset to allow our suffering and accept the unfair reality...all under the umbrella of there's something planned ahead or there is good coming for those you deserve.


      You see how the real part of relegion is based on after ?

      This is where my thoughts where we don't conform to this reality laws comes from...that's why we seek something more...we feel we need bet on future, future will surely be better, we need to work for future!... Sigh...with a calm mind one can think


      What is the difference in future and now?


      Tomorrow is the future, the next moment is the future, what's the difference?


      Our needs and faults are inherent, we pass on not just the betterment to the next generation, we pass on our past and present filled with faults.


      It's just there....I know we need a moral and spiritual support to go through life...and it's exactly that! A support to endure and believe in something happier always.


      I'm not preaching anarchy here...don't need to expel humanity and life to satiate the universe..that would make me no different to a blind devotee readily offering his consious to some unseen entity.


      Just a thought that we need to base ourselves in something more believable to our realistic mindsets... Like everyone knows there isn't a free meal...even donations are done for someone's consicence greed, so we should not base in something opposite to our life.


      Ah yes it does give a pessimistic and negative feel....but that's how we perceive something without higher moral goal...so in that regard it isn't evil or negative...but just is.
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    8. Servant to One Oct 31, 2021
      Are you a nihilist perhaps? An atheist too? Well I am not a philosopher of any kind nor do I have a degree in philosophy but nevertheless I would like to respond. We humans were not just put here to just eat, sleep, reproduce and then die. We were put here to seek the truth. This universe I would like to make a statement that this universe was created by a higher being i.e a creator who has attribute befitting of Him and he has plan for all us. Thus, if this is true then the all knowing creator would guide is since He created us and following that, should know us to which we don't know of ourselves. That is through relevations, miracles and religion.
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