Discussion A Few Questions

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Dupe2718, May 16, 2017.

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How do you choose?

  1. (A, A, A)

  2. (A, A, C)

  3. (A, C, A)

  4. (A, C, C)

  5. (C, A, A)

  6. (C, A, C)

  7. (C, C, A)

  8. (C, C, C)

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  1. Dupe2718

    Dupe2718 Dragon God

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    These questions are about the legal system.

    You are a king, and legislator and Judiciary.

    How would you act given the below premise.

    You have a sample of people n in number.

    Of that n people X are guilty and Y(n-X) are innocent.

    You do not know who the guilty or the innocent are.

    X, Y: 1 <= X <= n, 1 <= Y <= n.

    X, Y and n are all whole numbers.

    You can either acquit all the people or convict all the people.

    Scenario 1:
    X > Y
    Do you acquit or convict?

    Scenario 2:
    X = Y
    Do you acquit or convict?

    Scenario 3:
    X < Y
    Do you acquit or convict?


    EDIT:
    You can only acquit or convict. There's no way for you to gain more information. These two are your ONLY choices.


    POLL:
    How to vote on the poll.
    Acquit = A.
    Convict = C.

    All poll options would be given in the form:
    (i, j, k).
    Your choice for scenario 1 is i.
    Your choice for scenario 2 is j.
    Your choice for scenario 3 is k.

    For example (A, A, A) means you choose to acquit all 3 scenarios.

    (A, C, A) means you choose to acquit for scenario 1 and 3, but convict for scenario 2.

    (A, C, C) means you choose to acquit for scenario 1, and convict for the remaining two scenarios.

    You can change your vote at any time.

    Any questions?

     
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  2. Wiger98

    Wiger98 Custom title

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    please give a crime as it makes it more interesting to answer to
     
  3. Westeller

    Westeller Smokin' Sexy Style!! Staff Member

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    For anyone confused by all the variables and comparisons, it's pretty much:

    Scenario 1: More guilty people than innocent
    Scenario 2: Even number of both
    Scenario 3: Fewer guilty people than innocent

    ...and if your answer is anything other than A, A, A, you're an anti-hero xuanhuan protagonist who kills people that annoy him.
     
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  4. Azure

    Azure The True Blue Sky

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    AAA
    Blackstone Formulation.

    "It is more important that innocence should be protected, than it is, that guilt be punished; for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world, that all of them cannot be punished.... when innocence itself, is brought to the bar and condemned, especially to die, the subject will exclaim, 'it is immaterial to me whether I behave well or ill, for virtue itself is no security.' And if such a sentiment as this were to take hold in the mind of the subject that would be the end of all security whatsoever" - John Adams
     
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  5. Sethnix

    Sethnix Well-Known Member

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    Fuck it, if I'm king and someone makes trouble, everyone is in trouble
     
  6. Kemm

    Kemm Custom title

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    I don't like having innocent pay for guilty, neither allow guilty to walk away scot free, so come this scenario I'd just change the laws to study innocence case-by-case.
     
  7. Ratatoskr

    Ratatoskr [Aruruu's proud dad] [The False Gentleman]

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    Multiple choice questions? YOLO. *rolls dice*
     
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  8. Ignus

    Ignus Philosopher of Flames

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    God, at first I thought you were gonna ask what you would choose when randomly filling out a scantron test...
    Almost like you were stuck taking a pop quiz in class and left it up to the community what your grade would turn out to be
     
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  9. Shio

    Shio Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't know who's guilty?
    Torture all until they confess. I am the king and law, aren't I?
     
  10. Westeller

    Westeller Smokin' Sexy Style!! Staff Member

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    To be fair, this actually does work in small groups. If an entire group of people is always held responsible for the actions of any individual member of the group, the individuals are much less likely to do anything troublesome. Both because of the pressure and because the other members will actively try to prevent them from doing so.

    In larger numbers, though, pretty meaningless.

    'cause there's always gonna be some dick who doesn't care that his actions harm others.
     
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  11. My Pen is Mightier Than Swords

    My Pen is Mightier Than Swords ["Questioning the firmament"]

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    To catch a theif you sometimes have to burn the whole forest down.
     
  12. Dupe2718

    Dupe2718 Dragon God

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    I wouldn't do this.

    The crime committed should not matter.

    It's whether or not you'll convict innocent and guilty people, and how you'll do so.

    Thanks.
    I'll add this to the OP.
     
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  13. I Eat Monsanto

    I Eat Monsanto He who courts death

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    I saw this and I was like, are you serious? this seems like a probability problem, and then I saw your profile picture
     
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  14. Ignus

    Ignus Philosopher of Flames

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    If I was king, and legislator and Judiciary, I would have more options. Especially when dealing with the punishment.
    I tend to believe that harsher punishment as a deterrent works out well. India is an example of low crime rate + high punishment + high population density. Or at least it was a few years ago. But punishing innocents for the crimes of others also depends on the type of government. You could do that with a dictatorship, or communism, but not with a democracy.
    So too many unknown factors for me to make a choice.

    Nope, I take it all back.... I would have to live with myself. I could never sleep at night knowing innocents were slaughtered cause of me
     
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  15. Dupe2718

    Dupe2718 Dragon God

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    This is cheating.

    You can only acquit or convict. There's no way for you to gain more information.
     
  16. Dupe2718

    Dupe2718 Dragon God

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    You are King; legislator and Judiciary—this is of necessity a dictatorship.
     
  17. Lokumi

    Lokumi 『The second greatest trash of society』

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    Well, everyone is innocent except if the crime is: Mass murdering with number of people dead> n , in this case everyone die
     
  18. paprika

    paprika Well-Known Member

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    The way most legal systems in the world is "innocent until proven guilty". If it is not possible to prove that an individual is guilty, they are acquitted, so the way it is in reality is generally speaking (A, A, A).
     
  19. Ignus

    Ignus Philosopher of Flames

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    Your absolutely right, I am to weak/kind to be the king. Give the job to someone else
     
  20. Dupe2718

    Dupe2718 Dragon God

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    This is a fabulous argument and one I didn't fully account for.

    I would raise the stakes though.

    @Auryjhine
    @LightOrNot
    @BabaNovac
    @Westeller
    @Hacalyhd
    @Ignus

    The crime is terrorism. You have a 100 people X of these are responsible for the detonation of a nuclear bomb that annihilated a city.

    How do you decide?