Spoiler Latest Chapter Discussion Thread for Death Mage Raws

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  1. Nimitz

    Nimitz Well-Known Member

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    I'm thinking of reptile from mortal Kombat. Mouth ear to ear with fangs. Long tongue stretch out.
    White face. Human looking if you don't see the mouth or eyes.
     
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    @toxinpsd For the banda drawing, have the limbs be more insect-like, fur should be a long coat, and add a pair of antennae. Basically a tall long fur-robed insect-ish person
     
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    Except without looking like an ant-centaur. That one... well, it's problem was that it kinda made too much sense for body structure. I view Van and his incarnations like some sort of lovecraftian horror. I usually picture Nyathotep when I imagine the former appearance of the main soul, and now that he's had some remodeling then maybe he looks a bit more like Cuthulu (which is actually one of the most tame things in the lovecraftian mythos.) As for Banda, he would probably be a little closer to a more up-right version of the young of Shub-Niggurath. (See season 3 ending of Overlord) with only one mouth. In other words, if he has a body structure that makes that level of sense you're doing it wrong.

    (More to the point, he's described as having insectoid legs, not as having an insectoid appearance. I think that's the largest issue.)
     
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  4. Szmiiit

    Szmiiit Lightweavers' Hemalurgist

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    I've just finished this novel - thanks!
    I felt a bit sad after the ending... Meeting Van woud really be good for her!
     
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    The color is wrong and design but the basic feeling of Banda is closer to Hastur the king in yellow. If we are talking Lovecraft that is. that's how the two other pilots felt. Other worldly. Alien. Not human[​IMG]
     
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  6. kari-no-sugata

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    Bander's Delivery Service :blobphone:

    Delivering nightmare fuel at mach speeds globally.


    Yeah, it was hard to be sure how she would react and her response was welcome. Perhaps we should have seen this coming more, since after all she named her second child after someone that could easily have killed her - if she hated the death attribute in general would she had done that? Meanwhile, the author was busy stirring the pot about what Van might do... Devious.


    Given that Narumi already has a guess as to who Bander really is (most likely Undead) and given that Hiroto Amemiya knows that Undead = Hiroto Amamiya (Van), I don't think we need any new data, just to connect the existing data.

    Anyway, curious to see if Avalon's "trump card" is a chocolate teapot or actually something serious - eg might need to put out a call to Van to come resolve it. We've already been told that the "worst cast scenario" means a continent is killed and if Avalon's trump card by itself can do that then yes we might actually need Van.


    Looks to me that with the latest chapter that the chances that the family is split up or brainwashed are highly unlikely. Moving the entire family to Lambda is definitely an option though.

    Looking ahead to the short term...

    We're currently 4 chapters into the current arc and the "last battle" might start in the 5th chapter, so things are moving along quickly. While I expect Bander to take the Bravers and death magicians to Avalon, since he can't separate from Mei much I don't think he'll take part in the battle itself, at least initially. So we might get some scenes of all the others fighting with the final match being between Avalon and Hiroto/Braver. That could finish by the end of the 6th chapter if Avalon's trump card is nothing special. Even if Van needs to be called I don't think that'll add that much time until the battle is over. In other words, it seems likely that we're going to be in a "post battle" type scenario quite soon where some loose ends get sorted out.

    One of the loose ends of course would be about Bander and Mei and what'll happen to the family, but there are others. Some might be more short term and some might be more long term.

    Looking ahead to the long term somewhat...

    For example, some clearly see Bander and Mei in religious terms. We could easily see a real religion form around Mei over the coming years. Hiroshi will likely introduce the world to no-attribute magic and that could also turn into a religion. Given we know that Origin has real gods, we might see a sort of "age of gods" on Origin.

    For example, the Bravers may or may not survive as a group. The scandal certainly should be huge. Though if Van wanted to stamp it out he would be able to - brain-washing is so useful. The question would be would it simply carry on as is. An interesting alternative would be for the Bravers to officially disband but for a new team of "heroes" to turn up, using Van's transformation sticks. Basically, they go from being quite a modern take on super-heroes to being a more classical type - undercover/masked super-heroes.
     
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    Van = Interdimentional being who gives powers = Entity

    Origin = Earth Bet confirmed!
     
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    *stop the forgotten spear thrower*

    @toxinpsd I think this:
    [​IMG]

    Is a pretty close interpretation, just no heels, cut the tail and change the head. As for the face, I guess it would be the unholy chlld of Slenderman (head) with Jeff The Killer (closed mouth) and Lilith's eyes (Evangelion). And to finish, give him long mane-like with hair (see latest ilustration of Van) and long black fur that make it look as if it was a coat.
     
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    So what, van is scion?

    That actually makes sense considering scions "true" form! Now can just needs to make a body in the form of a golden naked man and he's done!
     
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    Well, more like Banda is Scion I would say. Hmmm, Bakunawa vs Leviathan kaiju battle....
     
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    I wonder if van will be able to do scion's "stilling" (maybe through a combo of death scythe and momentum barrier).
     
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    this is my interpretation
    heroic spirit - is a "hero" who was powerful and famous enough for the gods to choose him to attain divinity and he could eventually be promoted to God's position
    A family spirit - it is born it is totally created by a god is almost a copy of God but if God wants the familiar spirit can also become a being with own personality (Curatos)
    Demi god - is a being powerful enough to be considered a god and possessing a mortal body, this is a rather arbitrary denomination in Lambda, being able to be powerful enough to be considered a demigod, for example the 3 purebred vampires served Hihiryushukaka could be considered as such, but within the system Van status is probably the first to appear as a demigod, but the absolute majority of them are the sons of the giant god Zerno, dragon emperor Marduk and god of the beast Gampaplio who in turn as well it was demigods
     
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    The thing about the 3 Purebreed is that while they were stupid strong, they still were extremely weaker than they originally were, not even counting that they were barely in the system due to their status as monster instead of the the hybrid that other vampires are, and it is implied that they were weaker than Zod. Hell, because of the DK frag they had they actually would be even weaker since they would have to spare energy to maintain it sealed while receiving an "upgrade" that quite frankly is not that good unless your name is Van!

    In other words, REDCON!
     
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    Let's not forget all the rust they build up during these centuries of not battling.
     
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    ssj4maiko Welcome Back Sadpanda!

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    Densuke screwed me over, when I finally have a holiday and decide to wait for the chapter, he goes and releases it 3 hours late... I'm in the opposite side of the world, 5AM is too much even like that!

    "Light Translation" for SS 52, thanks for those on discord correcting my spelling mistakes on Docs.
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    Druid, Chiron, Sandman, Asclepius and the 2 pilots safely arrive on land with the repaired parachutes, the procedure now would be to contact the governments of the SA country, the US and the Bravers HQ, considering they were just attacked by an US fighter, although they can't be sure if the pilot really took of from the US, so it could be anywhere.


    Derrick seems to understand that, as he confirms that the plan they are suggesting is not to call the HQ until they find out more, and Sandman confirms. Derrick resumes, then repeating the idea that Avalon is suspicious. The three are trying to get Derrick and the 2 pilots to not act alone, as they know that Avalon could use such information to get back on them. Because the pilots were also going to die, they guessed those two could be trusted to not be part of Avalon's men, and Derrick, who gave priorities to save the pilots and the mental health trio could also be trusted. Derrick agrees that Avalon could have indeed leaked info on their mission, but suggests that, suspicion could be towards more than only Avalon, but also Amemiya, who usually relies on Avalon.


    They had no idea that the pilot of the fighter jet was Sleipnir, if they knew, Derrick would have understood that Avalon is involved, but there are no evidences anymore. Because the task was about escorting some criminal organization who may not exist from the beginning, Avalon is guaranteed suspicion though, besides, it was a top secret mission, as such Joseph can't even check if the individuals really existed or not because they still don't know who they were going to escort.


    But there is no evidence of anything, they worry that Derrick could think of this as paranoia from their PTSD times, it is too much to expect Derrick who knows nothing to suspect the sub leader of the team, but Derrick replies that is not the case, the growth in their abilities shows how serious they have been, he would be an idiot to not trust them., but the idea that Avalon is the all-time villain is hard to agree. He does agree with Yodo then, and decides to not call anyone, but then, what will they do? A search team should be coming soon too, considering a plane accident. Joseph agrees, and decides that... They need to rely on Ulrica. Derrick remembers she was at the Amemiya's, and wonders how or if she also knows of their top secret mission, Sandman who knows Amemiya is innocent, but with no proof, he can only wait for Derrick to see.


    They try to use the radio that the pilots salvaged, but it's broken. Joseph sees no other alternative, and tells Derrick and the pilots to keep everything they see from now on in absolute secret. He then pulls a weird phone from his pocket. Derrick wonders about the weird design, but what about it? Joseph tells him the phone allows him to contact a trusted person with no fear of being tracked in any way. It is a secret, see keep it a secret, better yet, don't look at all! Sandman and Asclepius are stiff confirming that Druid will use it, Derrick understood from those two it was serious business, confirming he and the pilots will keep it to themselves.


    "HENSHIN!" (= Transform, if you wonder why Birkyne thought they were imitating Kamen Rider rather than Megical Girls, that's the reason. Kamen Riders all say Henshin.)


    The phone turned liquid and spread around his body making a body suit. Derrick wonders if that could be some new powered suit used by the army (the concept of Powered Suit exists in Origin), although it looks heavy, it's not and is also flexible, and offers bulletproof protection, a certain level of heat resistance, and extra physical ability through a small amount of Mana consumption.. The performance could be imagined as similar to what Balor and his men used, but there is no way for such portability as Derrick knows, besides, the design reminds him of a kid's SFX anime. Joseph, now with a helmet and cape can only smile bitterly, in truth, the performance of this equipment greatly exceeds all technology from the army, and it still looks flashy and stands out too much.


    Joseph then tells him the performance is good, and he can communicate, and so he starts talking with Banda, but nobody else hears, however, his reactions show that things are not good, as he learns that the Amemiya's house and Narumi were targeted too, so they were not the only victims. If they had called HQ, another jet to kill them is quite possible.


    "Then... Eh? What we want to eat? Ah, th- then can I ask... It that no problem? Even if you say so..."


    Then as he finishes, he tells Derrick that they will pick them up... And they will also get lunch. Derrick feels relieved, he things Joseph contacted some high official or person of influence, but the reaction of the other two who asked "How he will do that!?"


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    Avalon (and Moriya) received the report that Sleipnir can't be contacted and his fighter went missing, as he facepalmed. He thought he had everything well planned, but for everything to be foiled by one single miscalculation, he heard about Mei's imaginary friend, but imaginary friends don't survive rains of bullets and attack magic, much less can fly long distances at high speed crushing all his strategies. Avalon recognizes Banda from one of Mei's drawings, however, he has not linked Banda with the Undead. If he knew Banda has been teaching DA to Mei, he would have known immediately.


    The flying Van has been detected by air defense from all countries where it goes, so it's not invisible or undetectable, but at the same time, they ignore all calls for them to stop... Maybe they can't receive the calls... He guessed the reason is most likely because of the Van it carries, simply put, Banda receives no response besides magic sensors, so they think they are some sort of magic entity, not a living thing. The examination of Balor's corpse found no trace of any other biological response, also, considering his ability, he should have taken that's things energy. From their analysis, it's impossible to damage Banda with any heavy weapon available, and the Van they are riding seems to also be composed of the same armor, although they have no idea how they did it.


    From videos on the internet, they went to a supermarket, and then a Drive-Through (Mc Donalds), and they used Balor’s card. The reports coming one after another, but no new important info comes, the only thing they know is that the only way to fight is with cheat abilities, but not anymore, if it was only Banda and Mei, they could try something, because the reincarnators have their Fortune. But Banda had Ulrica, and now Narumi and Joseph are joining up. With a single one, the fortunes are nullified, from his experiments, any number of reincarnators on each side, the fortune is nullified. Besides, because of Ulrica and Joseph being aware, they know Avalon is involved now. They survived after their fortune was countered, and now they are striking back, and because Banda and the others had preparations against Avalon, two were easily defeated. He tries to think more on Sleipnir chances, but it’s useless as he is already dead.


    Moriya considers the idea that Banda, and existence created by Amemiya Mei, would be similar to a guardian spirit, as such, targeting Mei-only directly could be effective. (I’m guessing they are mistaking all of Banda’s winnings as it was thanks to Ulrica’s Fortune, so if you don’t target any reincarnators, there is no nullification of fortune… )

    [​IMG]


    They know Mei is an important sample for Avalon, but that couldn’t be accepted, besides, considering Echo was inside his fur against Balor, he is not some unknown ally, and then in Africa the Van somehow had the same armored strength somehow. To target Amemiya Mei solely would be difficult. The men understood the theory and all, but they were surprised by Avalon’s words (Most likely, because he considered the idea of targeting Mei only)


    Avalon then announced the return of the Africa’s soldiers and the LDA’s, and prepare for counter attack. This serves as an alert to the general personnel: They are coming to their secret place... Although the home base is top secret and few knew its location (not even Balor and Sleipnir, all they know is the email address from the terminal they receive orders), but there was a problem in those preparations, once Mari and the LDA’s changed sides, they knew everything, since they were worked on in that base after all. They never considered they would be free of his control (Sahadeva’s), and from that, they should have revealed everything to Amemiya. They consider it exaggerated, as Metamorph shouldn’t remember, as she and the Monster were not in constant contact, but Avalon goes after the worst case, he knows the monster is not on a picnic travel around the world with children. The situation is the worst scenario, and they can’t go back anymore. Avalon told to Moriya (Shaman). They they prepare what they have, including their “Trump card”, it would have to be abandoned in case of a threat anyway.


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    Meanwhile Banda’s party bought a lot of delicacies and sweets in supermarkets in Africa, and also hamburgers, fried chicken and pizzas on drive-throughs. They flew all over the ocean to South America. Arriving there, those who knew nothing were intimidated by the flying van who suddenly stopped and landed near the group of people. Derrick and the pilots were stiffening from fear and astonishment when they saw the “pilot, but were persuaded by Joseph.


    Now Derrick learned that Avalon was the culprit even behind Murakami, including Balor and Shaman. He was doubly shocked from all the info. Narumi replies that she feels the same, but she confirms, and adds that she doesn’t care about Mei’s magic attribute. Ulrica confirmed everything Joseph told Derrick, so he couldn’t ignore anymore, same for Narumi. Avalon is one of the founding members of Bravers, together with the deceased Asagi and Endou (Oracle). At the time against 8th Guidance, he wasn’t a prominent members, but after that, he started working with the UN, politicians, investigation and intelligence agencies, besides dealing with the media. His betrayal is “fatal” to Bravers, he dispersed the the Amemiya’s and tried to kill them.


    Derrick seems to understand that this is the fall of Bravers, this will be a major scandal filled with major crimes, Banda however thinks it may be an end for others besides Bravers though. Avalon is only doing all this because he is working together with other armies, trying to console the man (Who was supposed to get married soon after this, poor Derrick). Still, even if they stop Avalon, blaming him won’t be a fix, as there is the failure and negligence of Bravers. The public opinion won’t be swayed.


    Besides, with Avalon’s contacts with politicians, financial groups and mass media in every country, basically, they will all protect themselves and blame everything on Bravers, Derrick and Narumi won’t be able to do anything against it. Banda casually says that at least the people in the US will be punished personally by him, after all, protection with manipulation of information and politics are useless against Banda. He will destroy those who destroyed Me-kun's house and scared “Joseph oji-san”, she wanna join him, and he thinks it's too early for her, besides he will finish it late, and she won't be able to get breakfast if she sleeps to late, so she understands and will put up with it, leading Banda to congratulate her. Banda changes attention from Derrick to Mei again, using tentacles to pat her. Derricks starts to wonder what he is experiencing now and is impressed that he acts so normal. The two pilots are shaking wondering what the hell are they in the middle of. Ulrica and Joseph were also surprised and they learned that Avalon was a traitor, but well, it’s been long since then, and about Banda’s tone is in regards to Mei, he at least doesn’t kill in front of her. Then there was the fact that Derrick was eating with a cool face just before. (This means that he’s shocked by the revelation -zoboso)


    Joseph is already used with Banda, but he was surprised when he found out they went to get food for them in supermarkets and fast food stores. Hiroshi just says that, well, Banda was there, so there were no problems anyway. Hiroshi is looking at the internet on his portable terminal, there were many videos and images on Banda, besides all the threads in net boards.


    ”Mysterious Monster cruiser!”

    “An alien eating human brains in a high-class residential area!”

    ”The return of 8th Guidance!?”

    “The monster who buys Fried Chicken and Pizza in Africa”

    “The name of the alien is Johnny Yamaoka!”


    Hiroshi saw that it was a mess, then considered, could Banda be aiming at all this? But that wasn’t the case, he can’t disappear like he usually did because he replaced many parts of the Van, if he were to be gone, the Van would be dismantled too. Besides, Joseph and Ulrica are also friends and not unrelated to Me-kun and Hiroshi. He knows that Avalon is manipulating Bravers all around, so he can’t let it affect Joseph and Ulrica, it would be worse if this ended up affecting Mei and Hiroshi’s lives. He also dislikes the idea that the people who cooperated with Avalon and are not Bravers could end up surviving. He then talks with Me-kun’s mother that, after this state of emergency, it would be good if they stopped carrying problems from home to inside the house, if she can promise him this, he will help them. For the sake of the children’s happiness, tha parents also need to work for that. She replies to him that she would have done that even if not asked, as the mother of those two.


    Narumi now knows Mei can use Death Attribute, and that’s not a problem. She never saw DA itself as evil. The problem was how people in the world would abuse Death Mages, and based on that, she will do everything to protect her children. She assures that that Hiroto feels the same, but if not the case, she will persuade him. Banda feels relieved, as the worst case would involve brainwashing, then drops a metal bar in front of Narumi and Derrick, informing them it’s a prototype for a powered suit similar to Joseph’s, there is no design, and the increase in physical abilities with magic use is inferior to his, but should still be stronger than what the army has. He is lending it to them.


    Derrick is happy that there is no design, and Narumi thanks him but is a little surprised by everything. As Narumi received it, she wondered about his real identity. To teach Mei about Death Magic… Could Banda be…


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    Meanwhile, Amemiya, Titan and Mari were moving out (They seem to also have some soldier troops with them, as revealed later), Amemiya took time to agree that Avalon betrayed them and was doing inhuman research, but Mari’s words were undeniable. She transformed into Avalon and gave details of many acts she did, besides, there was Ares who tried to kill her, and then moving around they found the corpses of Sahadeva and Artemis who shouldn’t be there in the first place. And then, from behind, a large explosion was heard from the place they just were at. Iwao (Titan) suggests that, simply put, if Amemiya survives, they will explode everything as a last try, as he drives the jeep. So they wonder where they should go, the remember Avalon buying some residential area that turned into a ghost town in the Chinese Federation, and as they look at Mari, she is just eating non-stop.


    She apologizes, but she was hungry, as she was eating the food originally from Artemis. Although she can think with her soul when she got headshot by Ares, making a spare head and surviving is not that easy. Amemiya and Titan thought she was immortal, but after they joined the party, she explained her weak point. Every time she makes a new part, she consumes parts of herself like less important organs, bone, muscles, blood and fat for it, so everytime she “loses weight”. Of course, the head that was exploded was mostly empty. Of course, if such a thing were to happen multiple times in a row it would be hard to replace her organs and she would die. Until she could ensure Amemiya could be trusted, she did not tell them everything, but now is not a problem anymore, this also helped in gaining their trust.


    Yukijoro tells them that the places they suggested were not the place, it looked like a laboratory, but it had already been abandoned. Gabriel adds that the ghosts towns were also camouflage in case they had any doubts. The two answered in her place, they were constantly vigilant of Amemiya and wouldn’t leave Mari’s side, the believe they will be separated and abducted separately, as such, the back seats are cramped. Iwao still asks where they should go, but remind them that the Jeep won’t cross the sea. Bokor laughs answering it was obvious. They answer that they are just waiting for the God and the “Holy Mother” (The title that is exact the same as Darcia’s). They need to move to not get caught, but they just need to wait.


    Amemiya understands they are talking about Banda and his daughter, to which they confirm again, God and Holy Mother. Bokor described Banda and Mei, both appeared in a dream and saved them, it was not about betraying Avalon, but it was a surprising testimony. Through a dream, even Avalon should find it impossible to do anything against it. He tells the trio that they can idolize anything about his daughter, but he is still her father, they should remember that. Bokor, laughing, tells him that ‘s i no problem, they won’t deny that, nor they want to separate him from her. Amemiya doesn’t understand his good humor, so Bokor, still in the same intonation, apologies if dislikes it, but it’s a side effect of what was done to him, now he laughs a lot. Amemiya apologizes for his insensibility, but Bokor doesn’t care, he doesn’t care about Amemiya either. (You are not alone Bokor-kun!)


    Mari then takes the answers and tells him that the trio is quite delicate, so he should avoid many questions, but then, she is also eating a lot. Amemiya doesn’t mind, and against asks how they will arrive. Mari already contacted him and used the communication device to give him their location. Amemiya asks if he has an antenna too? But she says it’s not about radio waves, rather, it’s magic, is what she heard in a dream. She asks if she knows why Banda is with Mei, but she never heard about it.


    To Amemiya, it has been more than a year since the name Banda appeared, he wasn’t really happy thinking it could be some sort of spy on his personal life, he then asked her why she was looking so young, Metamorph just said there was no reason to keep herself looking old. Mari is looking about 20 years old.


    She questions him back, that she was surprised that he accepted them so fast, she remembers him saying something like “Death Attribute must not exist” several times when she was disguised as Avalon. Amemiya understands that even at that time it was Mari, he really misunderstood his supposed best friend… He still thinks that, but it’s because he doesn’t want the tragedy to be repeated, such as inhuman experiments. He doesn’t mean it as he does not recognize the existence of DA Magicians or Bokor’s trio. He prefers DA to not exist so there won’t be more tragedies (For him to end by killing or getting them fucked over, huh, hypocrite). He tries to confirm with them that they don’t have any plans to increase the number of death mages, but gets interrupted when he notices a black Van with wings flying at them.


    The Bravers and other special forces noticed the flying entity, and they didn’t knew if they should run away or intercept. He wonders if that is Banda, then another exclaims that is Banda, and tell everyone not to shoot Banda nor the Van. “Oh! God! God has come!


    And as such, the anti-Avalon team finally joined together.

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    Thanks Kari for corrections.
     
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    ガッデム = goddamn. ie expression of shock.


    Actually, he doesn't accept. He says such things are probably too early for Mei.


    This is more like Derrick saying "I'm impressed you can act like this is normal" (referring to Bander).


    PS Might want to mention that "henshin" = "transform" (just in case)
     
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    At this point is there someone in this forum at least that don't know what HENSHIN mean?

    Well, important question time. Assuming that the BanVan-mobile flew from the Amamamia Residence (japan, probably kanto area) to Africa (let's say close-ish to the coast) to brand new African branch of 7/Eleven to African branch of not-McDonalds to SA (again, let's say coastal Argentina for closeness) to Unnamed Middle East Country in about 1 to 2 hours (if all attacks happened about the same hour), just how fast was he going!?
     
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    If you think about it, the speed should be "fast enough". To make it as fast as possible, he would have to go to the Middle East, then rescue them, and go to SA at Avalon. He was still able to rapidly get to near the US to take the boys (Asclepius is a he or a she?), then go to Middle East and back

    Densuke did however say that, while the places are similar to Earth, the overall continent should be different, so whatever the answer is, convenience will be found there.
     
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    So let's just say that Banda can fly at the speed of plot. The fastest and slowest speed one can go!
     
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    What were Ares, Artemis and Sahadeva's abilities?