Commercial Space Travel is Stupid

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  1. reagents 11

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    That happen during tighter government control of their healthcare policy. Todays anarchical over financialized healthcare they have can't even handle CV19 despite their exceptional medical workers skills and qualities. Imagine the final costs of your medical care topped additional 30-40% from the sum total of already expensive premium profit cuts the big pharma companies charges you just for... Administrations...
     
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    So Jeff Bezos will actually make complete space flight ( not suborbital ) soon and become the first complete space tourist in the world. So keep monitoring this future event with Jeff Bezos and Blue Origin

    I can be sound a bit old-fashioned, but I don`t really support space tourism. I like space exploration and I like to monitor this. Space tourism can distract private space agencies from exploring space. Most may try to compete in earning money with the help of space tourism and they can completely forget about space exploration
     
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    Officials with the rocket company Blue Origin said they remain on track for their first human spaceflight on Tuesday, which will carry founder Jeff Bezos and three other passengers on a suborbital hop 100 km above West Texas.
     
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    They should aim higher to gso and never to return. They be doing the world a favor.
     
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    That`s staggering that the first space tourist is about to have his launch soon. However, The only thing that bothers me is how Jeff Bezos prepared for this complete space flight. I do not think that he was trained like usual astronauts that are launched in space. There isa a point that can make some issues.
     
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    Sadly, we are still a long ways away before space travel is more commercialized like airplanes are. That is, commercial(ized) space travel being at a somewhat comparable frequency and market as commercial airlines.
     
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    Yeah, we are still far from it and we need many years of improving our space technology to make it commercialized. Commercialising space flights it`s not the main purpose to be reached
     
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    Feck off with these "stop wasting money on X, people are sick and starving, fix Earth". Humanity shouldn't and won't drop everything just to help the needy, nor it should. Space is the future, if you wanna dream about cutting investements from something then at least choose one of the million useless things that are being invested in.

    Go to a supermarket and see how many useless products are there, yet you are only reacting when there is an article about some expensive space project.

    The solution isn't to drop money into charity black holes, solution is to create more jobs for investors and government's role is to improve quality of life.

    Why waste money on yacths, private jets, Disney Star Wars and Marvel, all kinds of insane luxuries ridiculously rich people spend money on. Just invest in climate control, vaccines, unite all governments and spend money only on space colonization projects, not tourism. That's utopia bro and we've seen how communism which sort of strived for it, turned out.
     
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    I can partially agree with you. I support the space exploration campaign and I am a big fan of it and I share with you the idea that space is the future. But how space tourism can develop this sphere?? It will be just the way for reach people to entertain themself.
     
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    It boosts space economy, more rockets = cheaper and better rockets in the future and other advancements that wouldn't be invested a lot just in the name of science and exploration. So Jeff's selfishness here is a good thing.
     
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    On the contrary it perverse the space scientific development for marketing gimmicks and scams. In example Elon Musk sells his oversized second or third stage rocket engines as the 'first' 'Full flow staged combustion engines'.
     
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    This is a good point. But I still consider that scientists should be more concerned with environmental issues. I support such space projects like space technology that can observe the land and help scientists solve some environmental issues.

    On the one side, it might be beneficial for private space agencies. As it has already been mentioned space tourism can boost the economy of space companies. However, earning money can distract from real space exploration campaign.
     
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    I can't agree with that. The issue is that we have a limited amount of ressources and there is a maximum capacity of research that can be done on each field. So putting all our efforts into one specific thing would be a wate of ressources especially when considering not all discoveries have the same significance.

    And if we consider the place of space travel in the economy, it is really not mich but it has brought in a lot for environmental science still.
     
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    Note that Virgin Galactic, Blue Origin, and SpaceX are *roughly* contemporary, and began with roughly similar dreams and funding. But one of them is a major aerospace company worth $74 billion, while the other two are niche companies worth at best one-tenth as much.
    Space could be a great way to boost the economy of a space company. But suborbital space tourism so far seems a pretty inefficient way to building a "real space business."
     
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    Scientists are not one group with one goal, how the fuck are astrophysicists gonna help our environment?
    Humanity is not one group with one group with one goal either, you can't just tell everyone to drop what they're doing and do your thing. Sciences are connected, that way when you develop one others indirectly benefit. Developing some space technology might help with fixing Earth but it doesn't have to, it's multitasking.
     
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    Well true but the problems is when the scientists are transitioning into salesman with scientist background or using scientific talking points to perverse their branch of sciences development.
     
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    Dinkin flicka. Fact is, people basically gave up on going to space after the moon landing. There's no profit there. If there is profit, there will be further exploration and research.
     
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    Nope, it will be suborbital. Orbital flight means that you reach a point where you are capable of making a full circle around the world.

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    It will last only 10 minutes over the imaginary 100km line, aka, that is like calling a fish jumping out of water as flying.

    Nothing more than a PR stunt, as the technology is incapable of actually being used for spaceflight. Now blue origin is working on a different rocket for actual spaceflight, which is essentially dropping their current tech out the window as it is useless.

    Not the first space tourist either, nor even 2nd. Russia has been selling their tourist launches for a while. And those were orbital, not suborbital.

    There is actually nothing wrong with that. People seem to get too zealous with how they think money corrupts everything.

    Things need to generate money and pay for itself to become viable. Part of the reason why science is slowed down is precisely due to lack of funding or commercial implementation. If the price of rockets gets cheaper, then it also becomes cheaper to do scientific research. Lets not treat it like a religion.

    Again, different person for a different job. Only by spreading out scientific research do we maximize benefit. Too much in 1 place leads to diminishing return.

    End of the day, our world will become inhospitable to humans sooner or later. Which means we need to reach the point of being able to teraform planets as soon as possible. (which is a long way away). Unless you are fine continuing to experiment on the Earth.

    The problem was 2 things really:
    1) The government kind of made it impossible for anyone to go to space. By locking everyone out of space, the moment congress lost interest, it all went down the drain. What was done over a decade ago with NASA working with private companies to get them capable of space flight should have been done 50 years ago

    2) The high cost of launching made it not profitable. As costs continue to drop, the cost equation improves dramatically. A lot of things were uneconomical but became economical as tech improved and economies of scale improved.
     
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    No what I'm saying is the fake development such like this would not contribute to the space technology at all. Rather they would stunt them because the private sectors would play with words instead of hard sciences and they would only play where they can make profits. Suborbital edge of space is called space travels, selling low power high efficiency rockets as 'reusable' or green so they have excuse to not make better more powerful rocket engines, selling obvious scammy wild ideas such as orbital gas stations again as an excuse to not spend a dime in developing more powerful rockets, space funeral and so on and so forth.
    Just like the nonexistence of public mass rapid transit in the US do not actually push US automakers to make better cars at all, entry of private company to the space exploration sectors would hardly ushered greater development to the technology where it actually matters.