Qidian's Paywall

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  1. Logicsol

    Logicsol Proud owner of a Toyota Lernlaw

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    Wait 3 years to finish reading something isn't part of my definition of leisure. It's fine if the wait is because it's complete, but an issue when it is and the wait is artificial.

    Grinding free tokens in order to read something? Also not leisure.


    royalty? This is an incentive. QI benefits from advance chapters, and thus is likely to pay an incentive.
     
  2. Shield Loyalist

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    So reading more than 10 chapters a day is? Okaaaaaaaay

    You really believe they'd share the profits? Pfft.
     
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    *still waiting for the 3rd book of the Name of the Wind*
    *still waiting for the 6th book of The Game of Thrones*

    ... Meh, I don't mind waiting.
     
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  4. Logicsol

    Logicsol Proud owner of a Toyota Lernlaw

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    uh yeah?

    If i get the chance, I can down a few thousand pages, ten chapters is maybe a half hour of reading. The more continuous, the better.

    Advance chapters earn QI more money. They'll give incentives to get more of them, we're not talking much, or even a percentage, but likely a flat bonus for extra chapters that are in the premium program.

    It's not altruism.

    That's not really comparable. A book yet to be written isn't the same thing as a book released. You aren't going to read a few chapters of book 6th and then go wait when the rest of the book is ready.

    QI is counting on that to induce people into paying.
     
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  5. AliceShiki

    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

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    Well, you don't need to pay for it then? Just wait until they completely translate the novel and pay for it in one go if you want, will be cheaper than reading as it is translated for sure.
     
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    Logicsol Proud owner of a Toyota Lernlaw

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    Nope. I don't play these types of games.

    I'll keep up with the free releases, support any TL's I like, but shit like this? I'll just pirate it outright.
    Payment requires respect.

    It'd be a different story if it wasn't QI, or was a medium that was inherently paid for. Like Oathbringer for example, or the eventual 6th ASOIF book.
     
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    Why cant they just paywalled everything for love of sht.subscription is better than microtransaction
     
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    immortal mortal only release 1 chapter/day since yesterday
    that's the novel that release at least 3 chapters/day before these premium things

    what about novel who release 1 chapter a day or 1 chapter/2 day?

    we will get less chapter. maybe 2-3 chapters/week.

    patreon still better, at least free reader don't get impacted like this. This is clearly so much expensive

    I don't mind pay for reading webnovels, but this is crazy expensive, in the future it will be more expensive because more novels will become premium. I need to choose only 1 or 2 novels so i don't have to pay much in the future.

    1$ for 50 spirit stones, and immortal mortal need at least 9-11 spirit stones per chapter, so 1$ for 5-7 chapters. This is only 1 novel. Shit, this is so expensiveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
     
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    Just because they earn more money doesn't mean they'd share them to their translators.

    Then stack them up and read in one go.

    Stop being under the illusion that you are losing something, because you are not.

    Translators sometimes lowered releases in the past and readers accepted it. Now here are people like you crying like mad just because you know others have the option to read more chapters than you do.

    You see them as having an advantage over you, when it fact it's them who are losing because they have to keep dishing out stones to get updated.

    This business model actually sucks, yet you've fallen for its' trap. I feel sad for you.
     
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    Yeh.So tragic
     
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    can you imagine to spend 30-50 dollars just to read your hobby every month? (i have 9 novels that i read on qidian right now, and almost all of them have at least 7 chapters/week like sovereign soaring the heaven, seeking the flying sword path, true martial world, library of heaven path, immortal mortal, ancient godly monarch, lord xue ying). This is so expensive for me (i live in south east asia and 10$ is already expensive for me, but i still can spend this much for my hobby if needed, but more than that is hard for me. Whose to blame if i read on piracy site?

    Maybe my poor income ~_~
     
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    I feel like at least half of the hate that's in this thread is due to the fact that part of the free releases were converted to premium releases.

    If the amount of free releases didn't change people wouldn't be so salty.
     
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  13. AliceShiki

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    Well, you can pirate all you want, nobody will stop you.

    Doesn't mean they are in the wrong or that you are right.

    Payment requires a product, respect is a bonus.
     
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    Logicsol Proud owner of a Toyota Lernlaw

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    You're missing the core concept.

    They pay an incentive to encourage behavior that earns them more money. Without the incentive, the TL has no reason to create the extra chapters than earn QI the money.

    They pay because they will make less money otherwise.
    That's not really an option when their release has been delayed by multi years.

    There is no "illusion". There is objectively measured loss.
    Because they are slowing for reasons the readership accepts. Lack of time, increasing time spent per chapter, increase of average chapter length, starting a second translation etc.
    Yeah, nope. That has nothing to do with it. I've never had an issue with advance chapters, it's the method used that problematic, especially when it's a naked money grab like this is.

    Again, don't care about this.

    Both groups are worse off under this model.

    Are you sure you're responding to the right person here?

    I'm not claiming right or wrong, just simple reality.

    This model alienates readership, whom will just use other means to consume. It's bad for everyone.
     
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    Half is quite an overstatement.maybe 1/3.most of the hate here is definitely coming from forgotten hate from qidian months ago that resurface yet again.
     
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    You're totally bitter about it, which is one of the objectives QI aims. Eventually you'd feel impatience seeing those locked chapters because of the thinking that you deserve them.

    As your impatience builds up you'd be tempted to unlock chapters until one day you'll just realize that you're already following their plan.

    Like what I said to the other guy, if you're upset with the model then just read for free. They won't get ad revenue from you since you won't need stones.
     
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    At this point i think it is better for them to just paywalled everything.no more free 1 per day chapter for waiting would get so tedious.
     
  18. Logicsol

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    Or, I just get the chapters elsewhere. See, here is the thing, it's not that difficult to get the chapters regardless.

    I oppose this because it's a shit move for the readers that do use the app/site.
     
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    This model isn't bad for them.
    This model isn't bad for the authors.
    This model isn't bad for the translators.
    This model isn't bad for the editors.
    This model isn't bad for people that aren't in a hurry and desperate to keep updated with the chapters.
    This model isn't bad for people that only read some 2-3 series on Qidian (daily spirit stones cover that).

    This model is only bad for people that are desperate to keep updated, but don't want to pay for it.
     
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    Or don’t have an account

    I might just be stupid, but does this mean that chapters will still be released without having to pay, only slower or something?
     
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