Wuxiaworld's Exclusivity - The Contract

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  1. Guyver

    Guyver Bio-Booster Armor

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    I am sick of all the WW\QI Crap so I no longer care either way.

    But even though QI is giving some pretty crap quality translations I am more sick of the holier than thou WW fans (people against paywall) who rant against QI no matter how little actual evidence is given from either side. :blobtriumph::blobtriumph::blobtriumph:

    Plus I hate WW's new site layout. :mad::mad::mad:
     
  2. pirateking36

    pirateking36 [[-Worst King-]]

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    I actually like that layout.....makes switching pages smoother.:blobReach:
     
  3. Guyver

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    I find getting to a novels TOC a pain in the neck it was much easier with the old drop down menu. :blobawkward::blobawkward::blobawkward:
     
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    Oooohhhh you really need to get a life lol :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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    Nah, I need more pop corns:blobpopcorn_cool::blobpopcorn_cool::blobpopcorn_cool:
     
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  7. AliceShiki

    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

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    He never said he favored Qidian? He just said that, as far as we know, this contract could be completely forged.

    Which is true. Though I don't think it is because I don't think Ren benefits from making a fake contract, it totally could be.

    Raising a valid question isn't favoring Qidian. *shrugs*
    Comrade! The drama just got annoying by this point!

    Haters are always annoying, no matter what side they are in. :blob_coughblood::blob_coughblood::blob_coughblood:
     
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    Except the one that needs to prove anything is qidian, given it was their side which first allegged breach of contract to poach HJC translations, proof which was not shown.

    It was QI that first started this mess, but they decided to keep quiet probably because their PR is utter shit.

    It's not that I have blind trust in ren or ww, but that qidian has not shown one bit of good faith nor demonstrated the breach by ren's side. The conclusion should be obvious at this point.

    It is what it is.

    @Edit
    Having reviewed earlier qidian's response, it does seem that their allegations were stating that WW did not have exclusive publishing rights, which means ww actually needs to prove they do.
     
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  9. AliceShiki

    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

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    Sadly, the only one that needs to prove anything is WW.

    I agree with you on the community aspect, that Qi should be the one to prove themselves... But, if anything is to come out of this, WW is the one that needs to prove Qi wrong.

    People can be as outraged about Qi as they want, the majority of readers simply doesn't care and read what is available to them. The mere fact people were happy that Qi picked HJC already shows that.
     
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  10. Mkill

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    Nope, this is wrong. You cannot prove that you didn't do something wrong. It is an impossibility to prove a negative, a devil's proof as they say.

    Qidian must prove, in court, The alleged breach by ww which allowed them to steal the translations. Otherwise they are the ones that have failed to fullfil its terms.
     
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    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

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    Uhn... You never read Qidian's claim, did you?

    Their claim is that WW has the right to publish those translations, but not that they have the exclusive right for it.

    WW needs to prove their right is exclusive, that is how it works, if WW doesn't do anything, than nothing will happen.
     
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    i currently am not reading hjc but it seems like both are trying to overrun each other with massive releases
     
  13. Viola

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    @Mkill

    Unfortunately this is correct. WW has to prove that QI is in violation of the agreed upon terms of the contract.

    If i were to break a contractual agreement nothing would happen to me until the other party took me to court and proved that I had infact broken the signed upon agreement. Same applies to WW vs QI.

    In this scenario WW has to go to court and prove they have all exclusive rights and by proving that they will show QI has broken their contract and will likely get renumeration for the stolen novels. They have to prove their case to prove QI has been bad.
     
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    Having reviewed the earlier posts, I can say that you are actually correct. Qidian is indeed saying - in the initial posts at least -that WW does not have exclusive rights, which needs to be proven by WW. It was my mistake. I seem to remember they saying otherwise, that qidian would only be able to host after Said novel translation was completed, but I can't really be bothered to look for it right now.

    I will be adding an edit in my first post (if possible now) to clarify my misunderstanding.
     
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    Viola Studio Ghibli Fanboy Mother of Learning Fanboy

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    You got that from Ren's rebuttal. He said that only once the novels had been completed (and possibly released on ebook can't remember that bit) that QI would have the right to repost the novel.

    From what I gathered it was the single caveat to their exclusive contract. What Qidian is doing atm does not fit into that caveat and breaks the exclusivity agreement.

    If the contract states that it is even more ammo for Ren to use in his legal case.
     
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    Even though there is a contract, enforcing it can be a HUGE pain. I know this from experience, sadly. If one or more of the parties who signed it later want to renege on some terms, it's super hard to force them to comply.

    ~ Ah, this is giving me flashbacks...
     
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    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

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    *hugs and pats*

    There there, it's okay, whatever it is, it is already over, you don't need to worry about it anymore~
     
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    Thanks for coming out with this, don't let this get you down, justice will ultimately prevail despite Shitdian's evil ways.
     
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    ohh drama :blobpopcorn::blobpopcorn::blobpopcorn_cool::blobpopcorn_cool::blobpopcorn_cool:

    though i agree with another comment, i don't get why they translate the novel when there's already a translator; they could've just translated a new novel
     
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    The only angle I can think QI is doing is they give WW rights to Translate in #1. They gave WW exclusive rights publish the Translated works(produced from #1) in #2. So QI is probably trying to say that they did not give WW exclusive rights to translate (ie #1) thus their BS in hiring Endless to do a 2nd translation of HJC to publish on their own site which I think it's a waste of money. Obviously I'm not a lawyer but that's what I took away from those two snippets and used it to guess at what QI is doing (wasting money on subpar translations as compared to WW's version).
     
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