Racism and nationalism in novels.

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  1. Hegao

    Hegao Well-Known Member

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    So how do you guys handle those things? I usually avoid them.
     
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    AtratusImperator Well-Known Member

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    I just read it, they're fiction novels.
     
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  3. Khatulistiwa

    Khatulistiwa An Egg Eternal

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    I just read it, who cares about some fictional character doing their stuff ?
     
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    Raobihr Well-Known Member

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    I don't think there is anything wrong with it, and it can be implemented either poorly or good, it depends on how good the author is.
     
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    Kutaifa Pokémon trainer

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    I just skip those parts, usually a novel that is biased against e.g. Korea, Japan and so on are actually quite bad. I have no problem with nationalism in novels, but i absolutely loathe novels that glorify racism against an entire group of people.
    I just stop reading that novel altogether when it suddenly has the audacity to justify its use of racism.
     
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  6. Suijin

    Suijin Blood God [Medic]

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    depends on what level it is.
     
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    It's really annoying and I try my best to ignore it.:blobconfounded::blobconfounded:
    But sometimes it ruins my reading experiences:blobangery::blobangery:
    I just want to read:blobsob::blobsob:
    I don't want something like some dumb prejudice ruining and disturbing my hobbies:notlikeblob::notlikeblob:
     
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    animanaicT Nobody Important

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    It depends, patriotism and pride is okay but when it turns into brainwashing i get turned away.
     
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  9. Asf

    Asf 《《The aria of souls》》

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    I cant stand an author that spits at other countries that they havent even set their foot on even once..
    I wont read their novels either and will never read any of their future novel forever more.
     
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  10. EienMugetsuTensho

    EienMugetsuTensho [Avid Reader] [C#, C++, Python Programmer]

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    I usually drop the novel, or my rating of the novel takes a 1-2 star hit.
     
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  11. replay

    replay ★Milk and Honey smelling Merchant★

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    well. . .
    just as those TV programs that incite people of their nationalism. . .
    some people who read. . ..
    well can also be brainwashed. . .


    and welp what i hate is misinformation . . .
    but well other people will not know the whole truth but at least they should somehow make some effort when writing those info's. . .
     
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    I just read it.
     
  13. pepperisk

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    One of the reasons I like reading is to see how others view the world. Also it's very easy to just stop reading if I can't stand it. No reason to force yourself to read something you don't want to.
     
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    Are you talking real examples in novels or fictional examples. If it's something like a Chinese author shitting on Japan or the Japanese jacking it to the JSDF then I find it stupid and it kills a lot of my interest.

    If its the humans hating on the beastmen or a super nationalist king of his country then I dont mind it as they are part of either the story setting or the character.

    Honestly the biggest difference come from deciding if this come from the author or if they are storytelling elements that the author is using. I see it's more common for Chinese authors which makes sense considering the type of country China is along with the pre-existing tensions between the various far east Asian nations.
     
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  15. pentadrian

    pentadrian Wandering donut

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    It's part of chinese culture. Most east asian cultures foster an innate sense of false superiority in their citizens, be it Japan/Korea/China. These countries were largely isolationist for a large period of history and often engaged in internal warfare and civil rebellions, thus the sense of "us vs them" was used as a mechanic to bring about loyalty and unity.

    What's sad is a lot of amateur authors tend to use this as a way to project propaganda. Nothing wrong in it, considering their original intended target audience is also people who grew with the same kind of media programming and propaganda. The issue stems from novels being translated to a global audience. I'm certain once QI realizes such novels don't do well they'll either tamp down on it or moderate the offending sections.

    But then again, the CN government actively encourages this bullshit even on their official media, so who knows. What's more idiotic is some dude reincarnating in some mythical fantasy world with magic, dragons and shizz and going "muh chinese qi techniques"
     
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    I personally don't mind it at all, I feel everybody has the right to be proud of their heritage, even if it means undermining others. I myself am Viet and I absolutely despise the chinese from what they've done to my country, but even so I still read their books, and when they showed viet people in God and Devil World for example, I couldn't care less. Because it is fiction first and foremost and I understand they are tensions between countries and their culture.
     
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    There is nothing wrong with having racism and nationalism in a novel and don't understand why people want it to be removed. If I read a story based in WW2, should the views of the axis be removed to make it more pleasant to read.
     
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    I take it with a grain of salt because sometimes if a novel isn't pro-China enough (government especially) then it gets censored. The easiest way to be pro-China is to be anti-someone, uniting the people against a common enemy, etc. I'm pretty sure authors include such sections to evade censorship on other parts of their novels which could garner a censor, as well as obtain "that" kind of audience.
     
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  19. Beer_Kitty

    Beer_Kitty Just a very very drunk kitty that likes beer

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    Nationalism isnt that bad but nationalism while doing racism isnt cool though.
    I can read racisms such as beastkins are slaves and human supremacy because theyre part of the story and it is in fictitious level. But modern day racism of non fictitious character is crap, havent read one but i wont read it even i encounter one.

    But i do like the glorification of ramen and sushi.
     
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    Read it, laugh at the writer, toss the novel into the junk bin.

    But that's if it's blatant. Because writer's that are blatant about it tend to start writing unrealistic fiction the moment it starts.

    Those that keep it subtle, aka keep it to the plot, I'll just keep reading.
     
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