Novel breaking contradictory flaw

Discussion in 'Novel General' started by jhncanson, May 10, 2018.

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  1. Drakaos

    Drakaos Member (Patriarch?) of the Anti-Qidian Sect

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    Not if you shout the actual move every single time.
     
  2. Minokyuu

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    Yeah, your right it.
     
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    Shio Moderator Staff Member

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    If you say your wish as loud as possible and often enough, it may come true.
    Nuff said
     
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  5. lnv

    lnv ✪ Well-Known Hypocrite

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    I didn't particularly read that one but a lot of early novels are highly rated because at the time, the entire concept was new enough to be interesting for people. At the time, any MC willing to kill would get a 5 star in people's books.

    So the rating reflects historical ratings, not just how it competes by modern standards. True martial world that is a equal is rated worse for example.

    They shout names because it sounds cool to chunni people.
     
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  6. Xiongace101

    Xiongace101 Monkey

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    chuunibyou syndrome for the middleschoolrs bro also it adds a lil for the word count for the authrs:blobwoah:
     
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  7. Green Apple

    Green Apple Actually I'm secretly an orange.

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    Does shouting the name of a rare technique automatically describes how powerful it is?
    Lin Ming finds a technique which is a treasure, and he understands it because he read the technique. He knows where this technique will take him and the overpowered potential of said technique.
    Enemy who hears the name of the technique (which is unique so he couldn't have read about it in some kind of secret library) will see only the potential that Lin Ming shows by using that technique. Now, he has no idea about what this technique actually does, and how great it actually is. By observing from the side it may look like one of those forbidden moves which make you bedridden for quite some time after exploding with power, or they may assume this is the best it could do and it is a "current" level technique instead of some kind of pie from the sky inheritance from a super expert.
     
  8. Okuri Ookami

    Okuri Ookami 'Chi Chi Chi' calls the Sparrow

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    This is one of those times you mentally edit a passage to not piss you off.

    "He shouted *in his head"
     
  9. Estarossa

    Estarossa 《Master of Dessert》°Resurrected Ghoul°

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    Shouting Kaio-Ken with grade 2 math makes you super strong.
     
  10. Valyrian6

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    Maybe the protagonist or characters in the book feel cool shouting out something coherent rather than a random scream? Or maybe they just feel screaming out their attacks will intimidate the other party? It's kinda like screaming something extremely racist or insulting in order to throw someone off and break their concentration
     
  11. Sin

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    Or on the flip, they are thinking it so readers could know they desired to activate their skill.:blobdizzy:
     
  12. rhianirory

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    isn't that the signature shout out in sexy commando? (been a long time since i read it so i could be wrong) pelvic thrust, not rhino smash.
    the whole "must keep it secret or the whole world will be after my ass....oops i revealed it in the next chapter" thing happens in so many cultivation novels that it's hard to find one where it doesn't happen to one degree or another. and that's not counting the whatever-super-maguffin that always gets found out because the mc does something stupid.
     
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    Dude seriously?
    It’s the skill itself that needs to ne hidden.
    People will now know the what the skill actually does and how OP it is by its name.
    So doesn’t matter how many time he shouts its name out loud, Unless the figure out what the Skill actually does no one will gove a fuck.
     
  14. Ignus

    Ignus Philosopher of Flames

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    Whenever they start speaking to each other during combat, I always think of old dubbed Chinese martial arts flicks.
    How the voice over and the mouth movements don't match.

    It works for what your talking about too Original Poster.
    Bad director + Bad Script
    Aha *exaggerated mouth movements* I fool you now *exaggerated mouth movements* You did not expect me to come out of hiding *exaggerated mouth movements*
     
  15. AliceShiki

    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

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    Nothing new there? People shouting attacks has been a thing since dragon ball or earlier, and it just screams to your opponent what you're doing... Especially true in sneak attacks.

    It's a terrible idea, but it gives more flavor I guess~
     
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    "This opponent is way too strong to face directly in battle, so we will ambush them at night when they fall asleep."

    5 hours later

    "Nobody, and I repeat nobody make a sound!"

    Gets closer to the sleeping enemy

    "Heaven Shattering, Earth Quaking, Rule Breaking Palm of the Nine Heavens and Hells!"

    Enemy suddenly wakes up

    Team almost dies, but barely manages to escape

    "..."

    "I guess Nobody made a sound? Hehe..."

    Gets beaten to death by his teammates
     
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  17. Wujigege

    Wujigege *Christian*SIMP*Comedian

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    Sorry but your thread is dumb
    Sumos do it
    Shot putters etc
    It actually works
     
  18. Yukkuri Oniisan

    Yukkuri Oniisan 『Procrastinator Archwizard Translator and Writer』

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    Yukkuri is lazy... SO copy paste it will be.

    The kiai is a technique that involves shouting, grunting or screaming while posing or fighting to audibly demonstrate your bone-crushing power. Often associated with Martial Arts Movies and anime, this has its basis in many real-life martial arts (and thus is Truth in Television).

    Kiai (Japanese for "unification of will", and pronounced like the words "key" and "eye" in rapid succession) mainly refers to focus or intensity in its original language. Its secondary definition of respiration has been appropriated in English as the shout that accompanies focused moments in kata (martial arts moves). When Japanese characters actually bring up kiai, this can throw off translations. Especially in supernatural martial arts.

    In some teachings, it is believed that the shout 'releases' your inner energy and allows you to use more force behind your blows. In reality strikes synchronized with exhalation are the strongest regardless of sound, it's just that the kiai encourages proper breathing during a strike.

    It has other uses too serving as a battle cry, a confidence booster at the moment you need to go all-out with an attack, potentially as a way to startle your opponent, and lastly as a way to mitigate a little pain. Fighters are supposed to come up with their own kiai, though often it's simply "kiai."
    It's commonly seen in martial-arts films, anime, and really, anybody who's Hot-Blooded and kicking ass.

    If you can do something more impressive than just throw a punch, your attack(s) must have an equally impressive name. More than that, you have to call it out as you launch the attack. It doesn't matter if it's a martial arts move, a magical spell or your secret superweapon, if you can't say its name, it just isn't nearly as coolor effective. Also, expect plenty of echoing to come with it, and (if a fighter is feeling particularly bombastic) dramatic... *pauses* ...WITHAYELLATTHEEND! A standard feature of practically every Magical Girl, high fantasy, or martial arts anime.

    The origins of this phenomenon are at least Older Than Print, and probably much older. The idea that words can grant power is a cross cultural phenomenon that shows up frequently in the earliest tales of swords and sorcery. Members of the Sinitic ethnolinguistic family in particular tend to ascribe special importance to the power of written characters, and the belief that special words can invoke control over supernatural power permeates their folklore (just ask your local Shinto, Buddhist, or Taoist practitioner if they've donated to a shrine or temple to have a talisman written lately). The magic power of spoken and written words was also a key concept in Ancient Egyptian religion and Ritual Magic.

    In terms of realism, this has some ground as traditional and even some current practitioners of martial arts hold the belief that accompanying statements and/or vocal noises alongside execution build up their chi, thereby increasing the power and efficacy of their moves and techniques. Put less spiritually, saying a phrase at the right time during an attack ensures proper breathing. A call used for this reason is known as a kiai. The naming of attacks also served a more practical purpose as many martial arts schools, Chinese ones in particular, used to be secret societies. The passing down of techniques was done orally and giving them esoteric names often facilitated this transmission. In addition, kiai has the potential to startle the opponent and give you an opening.

    This is also often combined with a spellcaster's Invocation, with the final part of the incantation being the name of the spell, cried out just as the spell is triggered (Spirit of Fire, gather into my hand and incinerate my enemies! FIREBALL!). A character who grows in power will eventually graduate to being able to do the initial incantation mentally, turning the final trigger into this trope completely.

    A variant has a Combat Commentator recognizing the attacks being used (usually with a line like "That's the legendary such-and-such-and-something-or-other technique!") and explaining them to any other characters watching (and the audience, of course). When the person launching the attack spends time doing the commentary, however, they may be guilty of Talking Is a Free Action. And, are hopefully in a comic, manga, melodramatic or animated show rather than doing this in Real Life.

    Another variant, primarily found in video games, displays the attack name on screen as it is being executed, without a vocal "call". This typically happens in games where there is no voice acting; the call is implied. In fact, flamboyant attack/technique names are pretty much a trope in and of themselves.

    However, used properly and skillfully it can be an effective and compact narrative device. There isn't really a simpler way to let the audience know that Captain Kirk's next phaser blast isn't supposed to kill the alien, or that Judge Dredd's next bullet is supposed to go "boom". Especially in manga, it's particularly difficult to let the reader know what special attacks are used without either motion or color, so having the characters say it is probably the most practical solution.

    For a long time, only flashy Finishing Moves or powerful Limit Breaks were considered worthy of calls. Two well-known examples are Kenshiro spelling out the spectacular death he just dealt to his foe and Son Goku's signature "KA... ME... HA... ME... HAAAAAA!!" A few pro wrestlers did this as well ("Power bomb!"). It wasn't until the advent of Fighting Games, particularly Street Fighter II, that shouting out every little spinkick and ki ball became standard practice.
     
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  19. GDLiZy

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    IIRC The King's Avatar character shouted random move while he did the other.
     
  20. Raizhee

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    Dumb logic in novels or anime. Say the name 100% power-up , yell while saying the name and the power gets a 1000% power-up magically. I'd prefer if they wouldn't scream the name of the fkin skill as well.
     
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