Discussion Is it me or do a lot of novels get worse as they go on...

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Do novels get worse as they go on?

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  1. mja

    mja Well-Known Member

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    I've probably read well over a hundred novels at this point and one glaring mistake i often find is that a lot of novels start out with a bang than fizzle out into a heaping mass of hot garbage by the time they go over 250+ chapters.

    i mean, is it that hard to simply maintain the same level of quality throughout the novel instead of just banking in on the early success of their novel and then just leaving it to rot.
     
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    Because they don't plan ahead mainly.
     
  3. Jiggy

    Jiggy I am JiggyliFAP~ the not fat anymore guy.

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    Well KR rarely goes shit. I remember Desolate Era didn't go that shit since I liked reading it.
     
  4. AMissingLinguist

    AMissingLinguist [Not Here][Blank Sect][Nuffian #N]

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    Well, I feel insulted, but expectations are not always met. Sequels have the problem of trying to be better than the original. If a sequel of the first one are both exactly alike, then the original would be better because it came first. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Sequel
     
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    SoulZer0 Heaven Refining

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    The author had early success and they got too comfortable with the situations they are in. They put less and less effort to write original while more and more inserting cliché troupes. The readers who have invested lots of time into the novel found themselves in a situation where they can't just leave.

    There you go, story with good start becoming cliche but still have lots of readers.
     
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  6. Lokumi

    Lokumi 『The second greatest trash of society』

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    as already said, because they don't plan ahead, but I also think that too many chapter make it almost impossible to keep the quality. There also some novel who go down in quality for some arc and then said quality is going up, basically it depend on the writer.
     
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    Truth, but rarity now is wrong, maybe 'sometimes'.
     
  8. Meloman

    Meloman My dog is lazier than me

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    Hmmm you could try writing... try writing something over 100’000 English
    ( word based language) words (asian languages with characters have a different word counting system) long ... and then see if it’s “digestible” when re-/ proof-reading. I’m not even talking about it getting worse later on. Unless the writer starts with an end in mind... but even then... it’s hard to put down on paper the images one has in one’s head... and not get bored (either with the plot/ the characters/ or the editing process...)
     
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    I think they has not time.
     
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    They have time, should not write a novel if you don't have a general direction where the novel will go.
     
  11. Rendei

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    Periodic releases are like that. The manga industry is the same way. The story needs to grab and maintain the readers' interest in the short term or it wont survive, which takes precedence over long term planning. And then anyone who manages to get popular usually wants to string that popularity out as much as possible and keep the readers coming back. Because getting popular isn't easy.

    And then they'll inevitably get stuck at some point and be forced to write something they're not happy with to meet a deadline. That's usually the beginning of the end.
     
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    Because most writers are otakus tricked into unfair contracts and forced to change their stories halfway to please the masses.
     
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    i think most of the "decent" novels start off with a somewhat fleshed out first, possibly 2nd arc, and a general idea of where/how they want to end things. unfortunately, there's next to nothing planned for the stuff in between there, so the quality starts to fall off, the exposition seems like it's pulling random words out of its ass and hoping they make something resembling a coherent thought, and filler starts to become more and more common/drawn out as the author gets used to buying time.

    although perhaps an extreme case, one way to look at it is: if the author suddenly died, how well could a ghostwriter finish the story without forcing their own vision into it? most novels are just dropped, but for the sake of the example, i propose two possibilities. the most common would be a "fan" that *knows* just what the author intended to do, and everything after is more of their fanfic in that universe. the alternative would be similar to what happened with the wheel of time. they called in a ghost writer who was familiar with the story, and he was all ready to do his thing and write up a final book to close things out, but was given so many notes that were left behind that most of his job was just trying to make things flow and connect all the dots already laid out, and he ended up with 3 books, instead.

    although it's a bit unfair to hold people to that level, i think this style of preparing notes ahead of time and coordinating the plot accordingly is the difference between a professional author, a wordcount warrior, and a glorified blogger with a dream.
     
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  16. Not Red Yet

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    Can't eat if no one reads your novel cause you don't plan shite out.
     
  17. Westeller

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    Not really, no. Some do - maybe because, as others have suggested, authors don't "plan ahead" and either lose track of where they're trying to take the story, simply run out of ideas for it, or lose out to mistakes like power inflation. It does happen. But the majority of the time, novel quality is fairly consistent from beginning to end, or even begins to improve a bit as the novel goes on - nothing dramatic, of course, but anyone will get a bit better if they've spent the past five years writing a chapter every day for their novel, don't you think?

    Unfortunately, the novel's quality may not change, but reader perception absolutely does. You get tired of it; it seems worse than it is.
     
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    If a novel goes for more than 3k+ chapters, you pretty much can tell it will be filler-y.
    If a novel has more than 5k+ chapters, it's better to avoid it.
    If a novel has more than 7k+ chapters, it's not worth even wasting your time on it - just pick another novel for that lol. :blobpopcorn_cool:
     
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    I have read a few longer series that were good. The key is that the person has planned out the entire story before they start writing it. Otherwise if you just make stuff up as you go then you'll end up with plot holes everywhere and a lack of cohesion to the story. Too many authors just toss stuff out there every chapter when doing web novels and end up with half assed stories. Good stories are planned out ahead of time, then write them according to the outline. Then you know where your story is going and just have to write the context to fill it.
     
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    Dude ur standards got higher. Lol jk
     
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