Discussion Is (TRUE) reverse harem possible?

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  1. magecraft_unleashed

    magecraft_unleashed Well-Known Member

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    Beware: A very wild and furious rant ahead.

    in the novels -shounen/seinen- the (male) MC ends up forming a harem either on purpose or not by the author wishes, and that harem is real; pure polygamy. the girls who are part of the MC harem go from being acquaintances/allies/friends/amorous interests/etc to becoming the real women (the legal wife and the concubines thingy), falling in love for the MC.
    but in most novels with female protagonists, not necessarily shoujo/josei, that doesn't happen. there can be as many capture targets as there are stars in the sky but in the end our heroine only stays with the one and only who is her true love. At least I haven't found a novel that's not like that.

    what the hell.

    What's the point of calling this reverse harem crap like harem? This thing is not a harem. At the end of the day the loving situation of all the heroines, of all the female MCs, is monogamy.

    MONOGAMY.

    it's like the value of the girl ceases to exist because she has sexual desires like men. The female protagonist may have countless male friends, even have some platonic loves but there ends, there are no sexual relations between them and her. The term harem in inverse harem is a waste and meaningless.

    It may seem like I'm exaggerating and making a fuss about nothing but it doesn't stop bothering me when the tags are used incorrectly or don't make sense, such as the tag "hard-working protagonist" in Upgrade Specialist in Another World, whose MC depends on his golden finger/cheat, the Item Upgrade Technique to cultivate in the quickest way instead of cultivating normally through effort and dedication or the "clever protagonist" tag in I am the Monarch whose MC uses his knowledge of the future blindly without measuring the consequences, or the "apocalypse" tag in I Never Run Out of Mana, I have only read the first chapters of this novel and I can say that it has nothing to do with apocalypse; is just the typical novel in which dungeons appear in the modern world with or without apparent reason, plus it's full of one-dimensional characters.
     
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    It is possible but would most likely be found in smut novels. Can't change thousands of years of stigma overnight.
     
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    Miserys_End 「Lv1 Pretend Person」I'm the preson i pretend to be

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    I would say yes. There are several limiting factors to make it feasible, but doesnt stop it from happening. @Femme Fatale is a rather avid advocate for polyandry so would likely be able to cite a few sourcesaw

    One thing to look out for when reading harem novels, 90% of the time unless there is a smut or mature tag your looking at a gaggle of vultures, circling around the protag as they puff up their check and squawk at each other.
     
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    It's possible only if the guys are bisexual.
     
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    the "apocalypse" tag in I Never Run Out of Mana, I have only read the first chapters of this novel and I can say that it has nothing to do with apocalypse; is just the typical novel in which dungeons appear in the modern world with or without apparent reason, plus it's full of one-dimensional characters.[/QUOTE]
    ... Dungeons appearing without reason is an apocalypse right?
     
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    LiTTleDRAgo Well-Known Member

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    A key that can open many locks is called a master key, but a lock that can be opened by many keys is a shitty lock.
     
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    joey183 The Mysterious Entity

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    The girls view harem differently from the boys. Plus, if the girl have the sort of reverse harem you are talking about, the girl would only be labeled as a slut or a cheater by outsiders. Like what Littledrago said.
    So, the writer tend not breach into that category as their readers would mostly be girls.
     
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    Emmyy Kadupul flower* blooms at midnight*dies at dawn

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    The Captivating Crown Prince is a true reverse harem..
    She is the crown prince(gender bender ) she has 5 men..
     
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    Yes! \o/

    It is about what works for you and your partner(s) after all. It's about respect and camaraderie and choice, not so much about the sex. It's harder work than monogamy at times, but also more relaxed as well. The hardest thing is societal acceptance because, as you say, a female that recognizes her sexual needs and explores them is not really acceptable in larger societal eyes and scorned.
     
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    michael.kx5 [Sloth Incarnate][Lewd Overlord][The mediator]

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    Title: Wife, you can't run away after eating.
    Literally what you are looking for.
    And man, is this girl hungry.
     
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    Alina Moktan LaLisa Stole My Heart

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    reverse harem (plural reverse harems) A group of someone's boyfriends and/or husbands in a polygamous householf. A genre of anime and manga in which a woman is the love interest of three or more men.
    English reverse harem book is only true reverse harem, cause mc had physical relationship with all her love interests.
    Asian is kinda fake, deceiving. That's why I don't click on reverse harem cause it's not true harem. Click on polyandry can found true reverse harem
     
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    according to the Anita Blake and the Merry Gentry series (Laurel K. Hamilton) it's possible as long as you have a stable full of bisexual shifters/ Fey/vampires/etc (humans are too breakable). I haven't read many series with a true reverse harem ending unless the female is a supernatural of some sort and yes, she's always labeled as a slut by other people when it happens.
    that whole double standard thing.
    (not a romance fan but i like paranormal and urban fantasy and sometimes i get a book and it ends up being a bodice-ripper in disguise. so irritating)
     
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    I dont know if this answer you looking for, but reverse harem of poliandry is possible, if you want the real case there is a maasai tribe in tanzania, upper dolpa in himalaya, nymba in tibet, and some in india, mostly by tradition or other reason.
     
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    Emmyy Kadupul flower* blooms at midnight*dies at dawn

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    Is that the one she is a fujoshi then transmigrates?
     
  16. Alina Moktan

    Alina Moktan LaLisa Stole My Heart

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    That's interesting. Never really looked into it here, I like Imperial Harem novels cause it's politics meets harem. >_> But I'd *HATE* to be in that kinda of relationship in RL.
     
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    See the thing is Standard harem series suffered this same problem for the LONGEST time. The trend only really reversed recently with the popularity of Isekai partly due to the fact it freed the story of the sticky issue of "poligamy is not legal in most places on earth".Generally speaking most harems would use this as an excuse to force the MC to pick someone or just not pick anyone ever.

    So while I don't deny your complaint I do want you to understand this issue isn't unique to reverse harems. It's just because they are generally less popular and there are less made it's even harder to find a True reverse harem.
    I think the issue is more just the image society places on both.

    Men are treated as sexual beasts and you can spin that in both a positive and negative way. But due to this label it's considered "Normal" for a man to desire women so strongly he may sleep with multiple women.

    Women on the other hand are treated more like dolls. Again this can be spun in a good or bad way as on the one hand it means female characters are typically treated as special and cared for. But on the other hand there is also a demand for purity and and expectation of devotion.


    Another issue is the fan base.

    Generally speaking women tend to like romance novels. This is not absolutely true but you can tell at a glance at media that things marketed at women are generally heavy in romance. But harem series are generally treated with scorn in terms of the romance genera. So it's generally seem as preferable for her to ultimately pick a single man simply because this is seen as "more romantic" which is thus seen as more marketable to women.


    So basically don't worry about the lack of "true reverse harems". Now that there is less of a taboo in allowing a series to even have a true harem of any type there should be a greater chance of one to appear. They'll probably never rival the number of true harems to to what is seen as marketable but they'll appear somewhere.
     
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    do you mean in real life?

    It's possible if there's a rich woman who liked it! However, there are too much risk for woman than man for that!

    You know within polygamy there are always trouble which sometimes causing the man killed by his own woman out of jealousy!

    Male as us is violent creature! Just imagine what will happen if there are so many man who is stranger to love one woman! Even friend would become enemy, don't mention random stranger become rival to f*ck your own beloved!
     
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    *nudge* Maybe you just need to be more evolved to understand what you get from a polyandrous relationship? *lols*

    When it comes to relationships between people, one size doesn't fit all. It's good to understand how people relate to eachother in all kinds of relationships. One person may go between polygamy to monogamy to polyandry....Some people will only ever experience monogamy and that is fine too! But people are not all the same and should not be penalised for being different when the relationships are consensual amongst adults.
     
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