Spoiler Latest Chapter Discussion Thread for Death Mage Raws

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  1. jemini

    jemini Well-Known Member

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    Well, as @Nakakure already said, the humans in Vidal are being turned into "dark ones" and other Vida races. Aside from that, that was the point back in volume 5. In volume 12, there was a scene where the heart warriors, as I mentioned, talking about how the word was that the Vidal empire civilians were all the equivalent to a C-rank adventurer. That's the more recent source, so that's what I'm going by.

    I find it entirely believable, back in volume 5 Van had only just got his first guider job. Now he has so many guider jobs, he has awakened his guidance, he has given devil ascent skills to EVERY person he has guided, his guidance also rolls and incorporates his strengthen subordinates skill so his guidance gives a stronger boost than the normal guider does. Kanako has become a guider as well, so his citizens are gaining double guidance effects. Yeah, given all of that I can imagine his civilians could level up quickly enough due to power leveling under the benefit of their augmented stats, and the simple fact that they have those massively augmented stats in the first place would likely be the equivalent of D-rank adventurers without even really trying and then not have to try very hard at all to become the equivalent of C-ranks.
     
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    This is what Roddy thinks is the case, not what he knows is the case. Death Attribute didn't help Van in controlling the fragments, it was all mental encroachment. Roddy's just misunderstanding the situation and assuming how Van's relationship with the fragments is set up.
     
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    Eddy andres Well-Known Member

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    What is the ability that allowed him to devour everything that tries to invade his mind, I think it was a combination of the brain state of van with the unique properties of the mana of death, so yes, robcorte is mistaking another time.
     
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    If you're talking about the time he accidentally ate an evil god, that was just because of Van's fucked up mind structure and soul devour, there was no death mana in that process.
     
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    Soul break you mean? Soul devour came about later, after the god behind the orc revolution was accidentally eaten right? Soul break is if fact related to the death att., spirit form is a death att. Spell and soul break is used through spirit form normally.
     
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    No I mean soul devour. It was before he actually awakened the skill, but he did eat the book god that gave him the mental encroachment skill, and spirit form isn't a spell you dork. Spirit form is a skill that's usually only able to be unlocked by undead. Van has the awakened version of Spirit Form now though, which is Soul Form. Soul Break is also not a death attribute spell and does not have to be used in tandem with Spirit or Soul Form and can in fact be imbued into Van's attacks.
     
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    Spirit form was a spell in origin... a death att. Spell imbued into medical equipment so doctors could reach inside patients. Also the first time he soul broke, he used spirit form before digging around for the core of the soul, thus it is death att.. these spells did become skills, however they started as spells.
     
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    Yeah, oops, my bad. In that case, ohhh.... yeah, now I foresee an incredibly catastrophic Rodcorte level mess up where he really does revive Guduranis using Avalon's soul. And, the revived Gudu will have full access to death magic and soul breaking abilities due to Avalon as well. I would say that's definite final boss material if I've ever seen one, and it will definitely satisfy the people who were all looking for a tough fight for the final act.
     
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    hillo315 Intact but Tactless

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    The death attribute isn't needed to control the fragments, but it is needed to stop the fragments from passively killing you with their own death attribute mana.

    Don't forget Avalon's cheats!

    What if Avalon and Guduranis both fail to control the other and end up bleeding into each other instead? Two bosses in one. :blobpopcorn_cool:
     
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    Yes Soul Break is something that Avalon could inherit, but do remember that DK already could do it, and Rod's fragments are based on Power and Memories, so if Rokudou gets those, he should already be able to break souls, no need to learn, specially considering there is a good chance he would take a long time to learn about it, after all, do remember he doesn't have a charm ability, he can't see spirits, and as such, he doesn't know what is happening to them, nor is used to use them in the first place. Van used spirit form to get that Vampire's soul because he was already very used to deal with souls, and tried to mess up with it until it broke, so even in the best cases, I don't expect Rokudou to learn to boost his soul breaking abilities unless Rod mentions that Van does a better job than him, and I don't think he would, cause that would mean Rod may be growing his future rival/assassin.

    Do also remember that Rokudou may lose his cheats and his fortune. Although that's not guaranteed, Rodcorte should understand that even against DK Avalon, Van is stronger. Avalon can kill everyone in the world but Van, I would expect him to do something about it, and although the idea of DK Avalon is quite obvious, the idea of Rod using curses to control him is quite interesting.

    Also, if Rokudou reincarnates and is seen as a Demi-god or God by the got of status, he won't get any of those boosts.

    As Aran already said, Van already has growth cheats and unlimited growth, it's doubtful if Avalon's cheats would give anything to Van, this is something Densuke already mentioned in past comments, of course, it could be just him talking about this future remark.

    Another thing now is that Van doesn't exist only in Lambda, but also in Origin now. If he releases DK Avalon in Lambda and kills everyone, not only the gods would unify against him (And Rod can be dealt with by Alda now), and it's possible that the BMR that he needs to be destroyed wouldn't be affected thanks to the barrier that repels even the pillar gods, so Rod would just lose his best pawn, his worries wouldn't be fixed, and Van would still have Origin to go back. If I were to say something, Avalon will start the 3rd Origin Arc, and his mission will be to kill all reincarnators, and boosted with Gudu's soul fragments it should be much easier than the continent he tried to do before.

    This way he can take out Van's mana boost over billions of prayers, and get the Reincarnators who may never return to him anymore, so he can brainwash all of them to send against Van, specially now that they made peace, and then just wait for Avalon to be killed. Meanwhile in Lambda, he can use an army of "good guy brainwashed bravers, are you going to kill them now?".

    He could even time it with Heinz attack just to delay Van reactions, and then, in this double battlefield, there is a higher chance that Van could be defeated (broken by DK Avalon) or seriously weakened, plus he would get his soldiers back. Avalon should also end up heavily limited considering he would be the sole living person in a dead world, unless the bravers decide to go to Lambda and leave Origin because they already messed up the world big time there, which then would make no sense to send Avalon there instead of having him ally with Alda's forces as a secret big reinforcement. It would be funny to see Rokudou working with Asagi, who wouldn't know what happened before, and thinks he is just working to kill or seal Van, because the Angels can't warn them.

    But at the same time, Rokudou has a lot of mana, and he could be sensed by the radars, so I guess Asagi would notice that there was something wrong. Of course, Rodcorte could send Avalon to kill those 3 and then join Alda's forces, and put the blame over their deaths on a surprise attack from Van. Ironically, Heinz should be the only one to see through the lie.

    Oh well, too many possibilities, but that's how it is, the point is, you need to think about the plot, Densuke needs to make an interesting story for the reader, when it's too obvious, you gotta doubt it will be so direct and boring like that, Avalon needed to be saved, otherwise, Rodcorte would lose his only remaining card.

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    And that reminds me of an update, and it seems I have not mentioned it here (just on Discord)...

    Rodcorte shouldn't know that Van can eat the skills from the souls, so Densuke rewrote a few things, basically, when Van descended in Origin, Rod felt something similar to the abilities he had given to the reincarnators in Van's soul, hence, he deduced and has suspicions that Van is getting those skills for himself, however, there is no proof of that. He did all that to take Avalon because he didn't want to see Van consuming his cheat, even if he was wrong, it's best not to risk it.

    So there is that, Rod still doesn't know that Van can eat the skills, but there is also the fact that he shouldn't release small fries against him, although taking advantage of the peace between them and Van could be a way to force him to attack people he wouldn't want to attack in the first place. But I guess this makes it a hard to use card, it's easier to use Avalon with Alda.

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    Edit: New comments.

    Although Brabatieu got rejuvenated, and his son knows about it, there is still the wife that supported the old-man for all these years. Maybe the eldest son will suddenly adopt a new daughter-in-law or something like that, you know.

    I'm not sure about the whole context, but it seems there will be a release from "Saga Forest"'s 4th Anniversary, and it will contain a Side Story from Death Mage. This Side Story will be titled something about Water Adventures, and seems to be related to the waterways (or maybe sewers) of Talosheim

    I also made a question (Well, the question is from someone else but I was interested in it too), so I asked Densuke if Van could get the Slave Job (Which is forced onto others), or at least I tried to ask that, however, the answer was no, unless a new similar Slave job appears, Van cannot be turned into a slave.
     
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    sewers ?, We will see the birth of a new species due to van debris, because instead of surprising me it seems completely logical.
     
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    One of positive side of cannot change to known job
     
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    So I can not get a job as a prostitute either, my dream of being confused by a luxury escort just vanished.
     
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    Do they even do the forced job change anymore?
    Though that might be an interesting way to hack into the job system, force an error between the change and his curses.
     
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    I think the change of forced labor is nothing more than forcing the person through physical force or some mental magic to take a job you do not want, any kind of power or special magic, so the curse would remain in force . unless it was an existing vandeliu job.
     
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    question: what will happen to the brave guiding in origins if they die, will be transferred to lamba without their memories but with their traps or stay in the circle in the circle of robocorte producing errors or will be trapped by the vangod of origins?
     
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    Since there's still no chapter, i want to ask you guys if you know any novel/manga/manhua that has similar story to death mage!?
     
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    Similar in what respect exactly? I take it you've likely still been following my novel which is inspired partially by Death Mage.

    I've got a series I've enjoyed reading over on Scribble Hub that's a bit more like Kumo Desu Ka called "The Reincarnated Vampire Just Wants To Enjoy Her New Life" (Now there's a web novel title for you.)
    https://www.scribblehub.com/series/21364/the-reincarnated-vampire-just-wants-to-enjoy-her-new-life/

    It's also got a little bit of a feel that resembles Death Mage, just with a different starting premise that's not all based on dark stuff. Once you get past a certain point in the story, you get the MC acting a lot like "good guy Van" when he was out helping the special frontier villages in that she just winds up inadvertently doing things that are no big deal to her that turn out massively helping the people she does these things for, and then she's gone before she can realize just how big a positive difference she just made.
     
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    It's not similar, but I recommend Ankoku Kishi Monogatari ~ Yuusha wo Taosu Tameni Maou ni Shoukansaremashita ~, it's not at the level of death mage, but it's an interesting story, a bit exasperating at times but I think it's a good read.
     
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    launching
     
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