Spoiler Latest Chapter Discussion Thread for Death Mage Raws

I have had a question lately, what are the causes of dwarfism and androgyny of vandeliu plus the denseku fetish? It is a case of the blood mixture of dark elf, vampire and mana of death or a specific characteristic of one of them.
Edit: already menone, that vandeliu in his first two lives including origins had a normal stature and maybe if he could have grown up with better nutrition he could even be muscular, I understand that his growth is delayed by the useful life of elves dark and vampires combined, but I do not understand why he is so androgynous when his two parents were so "developed", maybe I should keep this question until we have an image of selen to be able to check if vandeliu is just a weirdo, well Strange of what a boy can be that lays eggs.

 

Van's dwarfism is most likely genetic since both races are long-lived (Vampires are basically immortal, Dark Elves a few millennia or centuries, forgot), Death Attribute/Mana has little effect on his growth otherwise it prob would've shown in Origin first (where it manifested at the time).

The androgynous case may be a bit more of a pain to explain but best chance is genetics also may have played a hand in this case.

 

Dark Elves are 1000 years lifespan or thereabout which gave Van his 3-5k lifespan. His small stature might be a mix of how badly his nutrition was in his first year of life after Darcia died and just him being possibly small genetically though I believe it was said that he was about as tall as Zadiris now? As for Death Attribute being to blame, I think it likely had some effect, wasn't it said that he was pretty small in both his previous lives too?

 

Greetings from Japan!

Is this perhaps symbolic?

It seems Guduranis plans to make everyone kill each other so he can finish off the weakened survivors. Such underhanded tactics are probably his only option right now.

First of all, I love that they only now realized how powerful Van is.

Second, playing Dark Souls normally would work. It worked anyway because they have Bellwood, but it would have been more effective with Curatos optimizing stuff in the background.

Third, Van is overpowered because he's jailbroken, not because he's a dhampir.

Ooh. Right in the kokoro. :V

If Asagi had explained how Kanako is more dangerous, he wouldn't have screwed up.

Dragon chariot? Meh.

BLOOD FROM THE DEMON KING! FAT FOR THE V CREAM!

But since it all relies on Van's weird skills in some way or another, they can't even use this knowledge without Van.

That's one use for a harem. :V

Sigged.

 

Someone believes that if that time in isolation allowed guduranis to fix even their pride, we would be facing the most dangerous villain of the series and the greatest threat from the god of theft and calibanism, not only with a force and high intellects, if not also capable of rationally current, unlike others.

 

Chapter's out!

"A Talk with the Past (Urd), and the Promised Land (Avalon)"

Holy crap: "Hello, I'm Vandalieu Zakkart. I've heard a lot about you." Maybe this is a poor choice of words for someone like Katie who thinks you might kill her and her whole family, Van? I'm not surprised she bounced out of there as soon as humanly possible (well, besides the fact she has to do all this behind the Hartner family's back because Lucas and co are as ever too dumb to live.) Further: "Katie uncontrollably screamed as she saw Vandalieu slowly come, sliding, out of a gap between her closet and the wall." Thanks for that one Gufadgarn.

Still, a nice touch that Van starts liking Katie because she's trying so hard to protect her family, and that he makes sure that her parents are good to her. It's very Van.

I also like the detail that Darcia (and Zadiris, Pauvina, Eisen, etc.) is wearing a transformation trinket dress that's all shiny. Van has harnessed the awesome power of death metal to create: sequin dresses.

Anyway, still no clues on what Avalon's plan is from Katie, as Rodcorte has probably stopped the angels from reporting anything to her or the other reincarnators. But Katie is going to redouble her efforts to convince her parents to apologize for what their family did to the refugees of Talosheim, as even Van's indifference sounds pretty damn scary in a world where Avalon could show up at any moment and the ghost of the Titan who your ancestors wrongfully executed is basically now an immortal flame goddess who could burn your entire territory to the ground whenever she wants if Van isn't gonna stop her. Do your best Katie!

 

So Katie new that Van would stay in Orbaum for a long time, and using her ability with past conversations between her father and other ministers she got a plan, she needed to go to Orbaum, and because of her past memories, she ended up as a Genius Mage, a girl that has great magic "for her age". She asked her father but obviously he is aware of Van, so he refused, so she asked the Mages Guild guildmaster to give her a recommendation to the Orbaum branch, with this, her father had to accept.

She is living in Orbaum with a guardian, a deputy officer and an escort, so since then she has been waiting for an opportunity to meet Van, and then the party happened, and as soon as she was able to, she went straight for him, but as she approached, from the skills she had honed in her previous life, she could feel the pressure from Eleonora and the others, her legs were trembling.

To Van however that was surprising, he heard the name of the "Genius of Magic" before, but of course, it was said to be "for her age", so he never really bothered that much, specially with Rokudou around. Anyway, he informed that it was ok to the others who were getting in high alert against her.

Katie then tells him that she would like to be able to talk with him at another time, about magic, and some old things, to which Van agrees. Van was not vigilant of her, Eleonora, Bellmond and Eisen could instnatly kill her if necessary, she held no hostility, but there was no intention of doing any important conversation at this time. The other daughters were found in this their opportunity to advance, as they weren't expecting the Hartner girl to succeed, and so Katie leaves, and her Guardian then got get, he had found her earlier when she started talking with Van, so he couldn't go after her at that moment. Van also sent Kimberly to look out for an opportunity for them to talk later if possible.

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And so the daughters moved towards Van after understanding that a conversation would start if they just addressed him, and they even had cases of one trying to stop the other, but then Darcia arrived, of course, children less that 15yo are usually with their parents, but the daughters stopped, Darcia's dress was a transforming device made to look like a dress, Van used frills to reduce exposure, and the rest was liquid metal, so not only she was gorgeous, but the metal was shiny, it was a dress completely different from all other women at the event.

As Van wondered if she had met any people, she told him that Takkar- Duke Alcrem officials properly managed who would meet her, and she received many compliments for Van's equipment, certainly it will have a good reputation in Orbaum too, but to Van, it's not the equipment, it's because Mom is wearing it. Zadiris agrees, cause she and the others didn't receive any compliments, Pauvina also said everyone only looked from distance. Zadiris, Pauvina and Eisen were also wearing Transforming Dresses. Eisen thinks that's normal, after all, they are not hosts, but just tamed monsters, and the guests didn't know how to deal with these "monsters" that look similar in appearance and intelligence to human beings. Of course, in the noble world, position is also important in regards to social manners, so it could be taken wrongly to admire a female with no fiancee, as it could be misunderstood as asking for marriage and related stuff. There are too many rules.

Eleonora just reminds everyone that they are there to guard Van from trouble, so that's no problem. She is wearing a normal dress because her transformation device couldn't be hidden with small arrangements (I believe it was a princess armor?). Bellmond agrees that it's easier this way, she is also not with a Transformation device for the same reason, she is just as a butler. As a butler she could be at fault for not being at her place, but as she is tamed, nobody can do anything about that.

Darcia understands that there were no strangers going after Van, so she asks if Pauvina and Bellmond are well too, Pauvina says that Alex-kun isn't there, so it's fine, Bellmond doesn't understand why ask her that. As that conversation between friends and family went on, the daughters couldn't advance anymore, they were told to get in touch with him, but they weren't interested in him in the first place, so they just gave up, even if the parents blames them, there was just no way for anyone to accomplish that like this.

Darcia replies about an event in Moksi, Van tells her that nobody approached her tail, Bellmond tells the two that her tail doesn't get much attention, what happened "that time" was her lowering her guard, it's was shameful behavior, so please forget it, and both apologize to her. (I don't remember what happened? Is it about the idiot criminal that touched her when he met the Vampire trio and Melissa? Then the guy turned into a blood mess? Woah that's old), problem is, now Van misunderstood her claim that "I was caught off guard" as "I have a trauma when people touch my tail".

So Van tells everyone that it wasn't strange that Katie Hartner looked for him, as she seems to be Urd, Darcia was surprised, but she finds it good that she seems to be friendly like Kanako. To Darcia, reincarnators are enemies who want to kill Van, but there are no problems otherwise, some are easier to socialize like Kanako's trio.

So Darcia asks what he will do about the Hartner Duchy, he guesses she has been wanting to contact him for some time, he will talk with her when necessary. So she asks if she can stay with them until the time to dance starts, she also thanks Chipuras for his help, as he was around her telling about the nobles and what she could say to them, Van also thanks Chipuras for his hard work. So they decide to kill time until its time to dance. Va nthought about just killing time instead of dancing with strange nobles, but when it started, he ended up dancing with Darcia and Pauvina repeatedly.

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Katie finally got to her room after being preached by the commander taking care of her, to her, it was just too long, but Van reminds her that she is a minor. When she looks behind her, Van appeared from the gap between the closet and the wall, how could he come from there? He explain it was a Teleportation Gate, although he didn't knew it would appear like that.

So Van asks what she wants to talk, and she talks about the Hartner Duke House, she explains all she saw through her ability, and that she wants the house to publicly apologize for what they did and ask him to wait, as she will try to get as much compensation as possible. After all the talk, Van simply answers.

"Sure, I will wait"

Katie was prepared for the worst, but all she got was that, and she felt even more chills, she understood that Van already hates the Hartner Duchy, as such he abandoned it, so he won't do absolutely anything about it, he will do nothing, one could think that this is safety, but it also means that he will not help nor save them if necessary, so diresgarding her father Lucas, even if her uncle Belton were to fall from a cliff and Van passed by, he would do nothing, as such, Van can easily comply with her request, it's natural cause he doesn't need to do anything different. And as he said, he will wait, 10, 100, 1000 years, forever if necessary. Katie gets desperate.

She tells him that she will absolutely persuade her family, and if he doesn't do it, she will take over the house and apologize and compensate, so- But Van tells her to calm down. He tells her that her personality and behavior are good, so rather than the Hartner Family, he would prefer to support her personally. He found it impressive about her idea to persuade, not to exclude her father, she can't abandon her family who is connected through blood and love, Van likes that sort of thing, if she were to discard and betray her family for safety, Van wouldn't know if she would betray him later, the only way to believe in them would be to kill them and get with their spirits.

So Van told her that he would support her persuasion, but that's all, support, she will have to do it. She confirms, she will get it with her father, her mom, although she is unsure about her uncle who seems to dislike her, Van asks if she couldn't get the uncle to do it separately, to which she kinda of agrees. Basically, Belton lost the duchy after the whole previous deal, but he is now trying to get his son to get it next, so Katie is opposition.

So Van asks about Rokudou and his subordinates, like if they will be reincarnate, anything is fine. she replies that she heard he died in Origin, but they didn't say much after, they said the soul was damaged so he can't reincarnate, she guesses Rod won't do it then. Van understands that this is wrong, Van couldn't damage his soul, he tried but failed, even if not unscathed, a scar shouldn't mean that it can't be reincarnated, it shouldn't have had any impact on personality and memory.

Also the fact that they didn't tell Katie about details, if Rod won't do it, there is no need to tell her about it who is one of his victims, so she wouldn't need to be wary. Van warns her that if Rokudou reincarnates, he could cause huge damage in the Hartner Duchy with Death Attribute, if that will certainly not happen he would have told her, that's the personality from Aran's trio that he heard from Kanako's trio, who told him that Aran was cold to her and Murakami who killed them, but were trying to get Asagi's trio to not fight Van.

Point is, Aran and Katie should be allies, friends in a sense, Aran should try to tell her about Rokudou, she guessed that Rodcorte, imagining that whatever was told to her would reach Van, would try to leave little hints. Van agrees on the possibility, but he is after him himself already. Van has already considered that Rokudou could even be incarnated as a hero candidate of Alda, of course, if Van knew how their relationship is (Alda and Rodcorte), that would be a very low probability.

Van tells her that he will consider the worst case scenario, which surprised Katie, as that means that Rodcorte would reincarnate Rokudou, the idiot's idea, to send the Death Mage that almost destroyed Origin to kill Van here, it's sending a demon king to destroy another, ending with a destroyed world.

Van doesn't know if Rokudou can destroy souls like him, if he can't, maybe he won't be a problem to Rod, he guesses that, just because they can use the same attribute, doesn't mean they can do the same after all. In theory, it should be the same, but in reality, there are individual differences, like Rokudou not being able to charm and manipulate spirits. as such, he guessed that he couldn't destroy souls, so Rod would use him by force if needed. Katie is worried, people would die like this, but Van corrects her, the world will survive, if the world survives that's enough for Alda and Rod, even if many people die, after 100 or 1000 years, they will return, so it's not a problem to them, as long as the people they kill are not people.

Katie then asks why Aran didn't warn her, but Van disagrees, actually, the message he sent, maybe it wasn't direct. Katie was shocked on the unreliability of those she trusted, but he tells her the angels can't go against their god, so if Rod told them not to talk what they know about Rokudou, they can't say anything, but it would be unnatural not to talk anything about Rokudou, so they said something that explained nothing, but she was supposed to notice the hidden message. Basically, Aran and the others didn't tell her "Rod decided to seal him and not reincarnate Rokudou", so like that, Rod wouldn't mind since it was something like a white lie.

Van wondered why he was defending Rod's angels... Anyway, he should just tell her he will support her to calm her down, as this way it will interfere with her own objective to persuade her family. Katie understands the situation and asks what she should do, so Van tells her he will continue his own investigations, but that's something he is already doing. Van is already extending his network through the Adventurer's Guild, all of the Vidal Empire, Alcrem Duchy and Orbaum. Anything more is hard. The western side of the continent is being secured by Schneider and the Dark Elf settlements still outside, nonetheless, Van is not the world's guardian, if there is damage in the Amid Empire, as long as there is no problem with those allies, he doesn't care. Let the Empire take care of themselves. This is also the case for the Hartner Duchy of course... But he just told her he would support her...

So Van asked for suggestions to his friends on what to do, and Princess Levia suggested giving her a Goblin Phone, or maybe leave a ghost for contact, then she will be able to call immediately in case of emergency. Princess Levia appears right beside Van surprising Katie. Levia smiles to Katie who is astonished by the giant lady of flames.

"Nice to meet you, do you know who I am?"

"Y-Yes, Princess Levia-sama, aren't you?"

Katie who saw her being burned at the stake lost all the blood from her face, she didn't feel any anger or hate from the ghost, but the difference in mana was overwhelming, against Vandalieu she didn't notice before when in comparison, but she understood that she was as strong as Eleonora, Bellmon and Eisen.

"So... I'm in the same opinion as His Majesty, I will cheer for you. Good luck with that."

Princess Levia, with flames from black and red encouraged Katie, the tone was calm as if smiling, but her narrowed eyes seemed to be burning something in her vision.

"Y-Yes, I will do my best"

So a Goblin phone was given to Katie who was as white as paper, as he gave it to her, he told her about not rushing and being to impatient, he reminded her that he will wait for years, decades, even if she can't persuade, he will not even ask for responsibility from her, her brothers and sisters. He just wanted to encourage her to do her best, but she took it as "If you fail, you will all just die".

Thus a new hotline was set in between Katie Hartner and Vandalieu

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Edit:
Now that I have time to give some impressions.

The chapter overall felt short, it was mostly about noble behaviors and how they were dealing with it, but it was nice that Katie-chan was able to understand the shortcomings from her allies, and that she can't trust them anymore, however, once Rod finds out about this (if he didn't already since Van appeared in front of her), this should mean that Rod will stop them from helping her and will fully give up on her, that's my expectation, and she should find it out when her Familiar Spirit Descent doesn't work anymore. I can see a very stressed and desperate young girl.

And I loved Levia's behavior in that scene to the point that I simply had to translate the exchanged talks, I can imagine Levia telling saying all that in a very fake tone as "it's not my problem, right? It's yours, so whatever, good luck, pff". Oh it was good, poor Katie-chan, but Levia has priorities here.

Anyway, here is the content from the answer I got to my previous long question:
So, what knowledge does Heinz have on Van?

• He is a representative for Vida's Races
• Controls undead, monsters and absorbs DK Fragments
• Has too much power and could end up as a dictator that would control the world

You may notice that there are a lot of things lacking here, this is the result of his thoughts being lead his own trust in Van (He doesn't intend to do bad things), the image (using DK Fragments is bad), and emotions, not really that much about logic (oh the irony), so this should explain the reason why the connection between Van and Vida has not been noticed.

And in regards to useless girl, Van doesn't want to be involved with her exactly because he knows her past, to make it short: "Why do I have to care about her? Just because we are from the same race, if that's an excuse, then shouldn't all of humanity just help each other?"

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Now, from another comment, Heinz title effects hadn't had much of an impact for now, Selen won't be affected besides being a Vida race because basically her positive view of Heinz is at maximum. However it should work well towards Vida races that hate Alda, and the first impression for others will be towards being negative.

I could have understood it wrong, but another reason why Asagi decided to speak about stuff from another world to Heinz could be to warn Alda about the potential threat of Rodcorte and Rokudou.

Edit 2: fixing some parts of the text that I didn't notice were missing when I was typing, like some "negatives" missing stuff, mostly that was leading to the idea that what was not happening, well, was happening

 

poor katie, she just had the scares of a life in a few hours, something tells me she will not sleep in a day or two. Lucas, you have the wisest thing that someone in your dukedom has done in 100 years and listen to your 7 year old daughter when she tells you to confide, your future depends on it. dresses sequins, now only missing wicks, spacesuits, wicks, I said wicks? I know I'm not the only one who wants to see a familiar giant demon king or small transformative family robotech type?
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-katie: what idiot would reencounter a demon king to defeat another?

meanwhile in the divine kingdom of robcorte.

-robcorte: reincarnate a demon king from another world to defeat Vandeliu, so that later Alda and his followers defeat him, as it never occurred to me?

meanwhile the angels of robcorte hit their heads against the ground while they wonder why they did not reincarnate like others.

@Broxigar, to one is not safe, you know van, from the fight against the golem, never fight battles in which there is a possibility of dying, he prefers to have an absolute victory without losses of his side obtando to use all the unimaginable means . And right now is the worst moment, we are in election years, the appearance of a third power grobal destabilized the kingdom orbaund, causing unnecessary deaths and conflicts and one more thing, they just plan to reveal the existence of the vidal empire to open its borders to trade and at the moment with the existence of rokudo and the candidates for heroes, it is like repeating the plot of tensei shitara slime, they would be calling for a massacre, only when vandeliu develop their antiaircraft guns to kill / stun gods on a large scale is it going to be such a big movement.

 

At this point I think Van could announce the Vidaru Empire already I mean ist not like his enemys dont know how to find him anyway. Also it would give him the most legitimate reason for acting inside Amid because they sure as s..t would declare war imedeatly.

 

The issue with this is, the humans of this world are racist. It would probably be viewed the same way as the reaction in Reincarnated as a Slime where the reaction to discovering there was a nation of monsters trying to peacefully co-exist with humans was to declare war against them and it was seen as the correct thing to do by most of the human nations.

So, the best route would likely be to form good strong ties with Orbaume first, then announce the existence of the Vidal empire at a time when he's in position to immediately start forming strong diplomatic ties with Orbaume and become an allied nation in support of Orbaume against Amed. The two of them ARE enemies in the first place after all. Then, he can let Amed declare war against Vidal, and in turn this will serve as provocation for Orbaume to declare war against Amed, and then the two can "march" together (which will likely take the form of Gufa teleporting Konchen in and immediately taking over each capital in turn simply by instantly surrounding it with a bone fortress and marching in from every wall.)

 

The carrot is much nicer and more welcome than the stick. Or putting it another way, if you want people to change it's probably better to make them want to change - ie by dangling carrots in front of them. Rather than carrots in this case, it's V-cream and the like. Yes this is focused on the nobles but in this society, those people have way way more power than modern politicians. If Van can get the ruling class on his side then he's pretty much won.

If Van turned up and showed them all that he has this huge stick when he's more of an unknown (and therefore distrusted by default) then the natural immediate reaction of most people will be to fear him. The optimal time to display the big stick is once Van has "domesticated" them with V-cream and food and the Amid Empire starts making threatening noises. Eg, when the Orbaume nobles are far more nervous about the Amid Empire than Van. Then the big stick would be a comforting presence.

 

I mean he asked for it to be opened somewhere inconspicuous. Gufadgarn's a spider (kinda). Hiding behind furniture is inconspicuous for spiders.

On a more meta note: How is Van going to face slap stupid nobles if they all just know he's an Emperor?

You also have to consider this from Van's point of view. Van doesn't really want to fight Amid. He's perfectly happy to ignore them as long as they stay away from his loved ones, much like his policy towards the Hartner Duchy in this chapter. Thus, he doesn't really want them to declare war against him nor conquer their lands nor intimidate their citizens. So what benefit does the general populace knowing about his Empire actually get him?

 

You mean soul tongue slap lol

Two things

1. Alda and Puny God already knows about Vidal Empire so hiding it wouldn't matter much

2. Neutrality really isn't going to benefit him, Mirg Shield Nation is part of Amid Empire and already attempted an invasion (and failed... gloriously epic-ally ), technically they're already at war even if they didn't announce it since (as Jemini stated) the humans are racist (literal sense and proper usage of That Time I Reincarnated as a Slime), and their religion *cough*cult*cough* is ran by a power hungry, backstabbing, human supremacist, brainless BS god of 'law' and 'fate' named Alda.

 

@heiro001 is supposed that the original appearance of gufadgarn is a mixture of spider with scorpion made of amphetamine crystal trapezoedrons, also as a god of space his sense of dimensions is different from ours, on the other hand I saw this as a reference to the power of valentine in jojo bizarre adventure part 7. I already asked this question before but: if gunfadgarn and vandeliu have a son / daughter / thing, how would you see gunfad? as the union between it and zakart / vandeliu or only concentrating on the zakart part, and if so, would I start to harass you both at the same time?

 

Scarier than Bakunawa that for sure.

 

There is quite a lot of new info in comments, so it kinda deserves a new post by itself rather than another edit.

> one thing that I didn't notice before, but it seems that Van used -sama to call Elizabeth. There is not much meaning besides just calling her in a way her other friends do and so on

> and there was a question if Van, being a new student, isn't breaking rules by entering a party with senpais, which Densuke confirmed, but at the same time, he refused to join any other party other than hers, and the teachers kinda of already see him as a teacher, so...

> Also in regards to find a way for Selen to "hate" Heinz would be most likely impossible, her affinity to him is pretty much maximum, she could be said to be a part of Alda's faction at this point

> and in case someone else ever asks, "Can Van get Curse Resistance?", yes it's possible, but it won't do anything against already applied curses

> oh, in regards to Heinz knowing that Alda wants the extinction of Vida's races, to Heinz, it's "Just like Bellwood did, Alda should also answer our prayers"... I can't understand this guy...

> he also described the idea of Spirit Descent, in this case between Niltark and Edgar (who is kinda of an asshole) more as mecha gattai rather than "Now we are synchronized in spirit"
so it's more like Niltark sends him parts and Edgar wears it

> the reason why Zadiris is in Orbaum is not only to advance the spread of Ghouls, but also to coach Elizabeth in Magic

 

Something extremely xenomorphic (alien) (Don't bother using DnD in this case, will give actual Alien(sci-fi) with lore with it via Homebrew 5e).

My guess is a true-born dimensional shapeshifter and a source for it's kind (like Darcia for Chaos Elves, Bakunawa for Soul Devouring Dragons and Zadiris for the Magical Princess (will never let go ) ) styled with trapezoidal/hexazoidal/whatever 5D shape Gufad uses for his/hers/it's body and prob expect it to be mostly Arachnid-based (most notably either a Spider or Scorpion, original and most favored animalistic shapes Gufad prefers).

 

Ahahah!

Princess Guider meets Princess (well, sorta...)

Zadiris is also one of the more experienced magic teachers Van knows. I wonder if Van will/did introduce Zadiris to Liz as the person who originally taught him magic...

 

*snickers* one more for the Magical Princess notch on Zadiris' resume

 

Does that mean that death attribute grants resistance to attacks based on same attirubte ?

I wonder if differences are personality based or something deeper(spirtual differenes?) , it seems to me like its a bit similar to how different people can awaken same skill into different version of skill(for example different versions of awakened sword skill).