Dealing with the poor

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by UnGrave, Jul 30, 2019.

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Do you help the poor?

  1. Yes, I give them money or food

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  2. Yes, I help them learn to manage themselves better

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  3. No, I don't

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  4. It's complicated (please specify)

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  1. Si Kucing

    Si Kucing Well-Known Member

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    In my country, a beggar monthly income is even higher than a fresh college lecturer....... a "proffesional" beggar even turned out to had his own car and driver (it's real! Police and journalist investigation often found out that beggar get money more than we think they are) and child beggar turned out to be childern exploited by their parents or other street gang in order to attract symphaty....... so no, i never give them anymore.....
     
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  2. Lonelycity

    Lonelycity Well-Known Member

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    Very much like my place.... maybe we are from the same country....

    Some random south East Asian country ~~
     
  3. grish99

    grish99 [Pelican Hater] [Hater of Face-Slapping]

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    mate you live in america
    america is the worst place to be homeless
    the is shit load of competition in this departmend
     
  4. UnGrave

    UnGrave ななひ~^^

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    I mean, for my job at McDonald's a few years ago I was hired in 3 days and got exactly 0 training before being put to work. "your starting? Great throw some meat on the grill and just make whatever the other guy asks you for. You can figure it out, right? We'll just yell at you if you get it wrong." I didn't get it wrong though.
     
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  5. Lonelycity

    Lonelycity Well-Known Member

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    Pats.... being a beggar pays in my place.
     
  6. Si Kucing

    Si Kucing Well-Known Member

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    From my name alone.... u should be able to guess.... well..... there's 50% chance that it wrong tho......
     
  7. whitespade

    whitespade Well-Known Member

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    I never give child beggars money since they are part of syndicates. It will embolden the syndicate to abduct more children for this begging thing.
    In my country, they use religion. They will force children in tahfiz school - school to learn religion etc- to beg for donation to make mosque or whatever. Children should learn, not beg, and children should learn secular knowledge (in addition to) religious knowledge.

    Anyway, I don't give money to poor people unless they sell stuff (like crackers), or show a performance.
     
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  8. Shtirliz

    Shtirliz Well-Known Member

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    No, I don't. Where I live most poor people at streets work for criminal organisation in beggar business.
     
  9. whitespade

    whitespade Well-Known Member

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    There's a lot of scam where a person will pretend they got hit by a car and forced people to pay.
     
  10. oblueknighto

    oblueknighto Blue Person

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    That's why we pay taxes.
    Also sometimes give them food when I see beggers sleeping on the street.
     
  11. AliceShiki

    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

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    *laughs* Feels about right~

    Putting you to deal with customers might take a few more days, but getting you to work starts immediately! xD
     
  12. Mr_Magika

    Mr_Magika Big oof

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    I usually give money to buskers playing music, but I'm a little skeptical about the people just holding up signs on the sidewalk. I don't doubt some of them will use that money as productively as they can but there's a lot out there who are irresponsible about it.
     
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  13. Lurking

    Lurking Do the dead suffer, or is it a sweet release?

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    Yeah, I gave my spare change to a musician today...
    I dont give to the ppl with signs and dogs tho.
     
  14. IceLight303

    IceLight303 Well-Known Member

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    I've know a few former homeless people. Yeah it's not easy to get a job when you don't have a home. They had trouble with people judging them for being homeless. A lot of them would say they were in the process of moving and then had trouble getting paid cause they couldn't get a bank account. It's not always because of addiction/drugs. One girl was running from an abusive ex, another guy had to many bills from his parents final expenses, and a lot of other reasons. Also shelters/programs have limited space and to apply for most government programs you need an address.
     
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  15. WinByDying

    WinByDying I can count to four

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    My stance is:
    1. "Just get a jaaab" is a pretty stupid thing to say, considering a lot of them might not be in a good spot. Like, what's easy for you isn't necessarily easy for them.
    2. They've got to get shelter, food and help from the government from a humanitarian standpoint. Society contains the word stem soc- for a reason.
    3. It's better for everyone to help the poorer class in general. Better economically, fair chances to children from all descents, and it improves everyone's happiness.
    Also a final hint: if they can get welfare but are still being miserable out on the streets, that should be a hint that maybe there's other factors in play.
     
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  16. waleuska

    waleuska Well-Known Member

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    Who told you to do that? I said to vote for a person that understand the poor and able to help them.

    I have never look into it. But I do know USA vets have a lot of homeless people. Do you think their problem is getting a job?
     
  17. The Hamster Overlord

    The Hamster Overlord Mad scientist/Revered wizard/Alleged antichrist

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    When my empathy gauge rises to average lvl (like once a blue moon) I help but most of the time nope
     
  18. Hacalyhd

    Hacalyhd Well-Known Member

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    Generally, I don't.
    In the city I live in, there are three different kind of beggars (sorted by how many of them are there):
    1. Foreigners, carried here by some kind of beggar-mafia, to collect money (thanks to the otherwise helpful free-travel laws in the EU).

    2. "normal" beggars, sometimes hard to distinguish from the first group, these people leave me with mixed feelings. Mainly because they are mostly either too lazy or too proud to do menial work or are addicts or (and I kid you not) because they noticed how much money you can earn begging. Seriously, some (few) beggar earn more than your run of the mill construction worker.
    There are some who just have a rough streak, but I just don't know who of them are.

    3. A group of punks hanging around close to the train station. While they are the most likable of the bunch, they are also the ones who have the least excuse to beg. Honestly, I'm not sure if they are begging to buy some beer, or because they can hang out were they are without having some concerned citizen call the cops on them all the time that way.
     
  19. Lonelycity

    Lonelycity Well-Known Member

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    I think that their problem is that nobody is willing to hire them...
    Back in my stay in the US, I saw a lot of advertisements in the stores looking for salesperson and what not. But I guess these ppl won’t get hired even if they show up...

    I mean, you just made me prove my point. They will only be hired for shady jobs and not the clean kind....
     
  20. reagents 11

    reagents 11 disaster personified

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    If you feel like they'd wasted them on something else then give food instead. Some of those beggars would be really counting on those kind gifts just to get through the days.

    I agree there's some truth in that they're unnecessary part of our society built to grind out human resources for capitalism but they're perhaps a good reminder of what's the system had forgotten along their way. Humanity.
    You know back in my hometown we're all poor of cash but nobody really felt that way since all families back then managed small farms each complimenting each other. Everything shared among each other for free.