Spoiler The Founder of Diabolism

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  1. Sauling

    Sauling Wangxian[忘羨] is my Precious OTP ( ˘ ³˘)♥

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    I will be happy if they even just mention that Lan Zhan and Wei Ying have been night hunting together. Whatever it is I do hope we get some Wangxian moments.

    That waterfall scene is the best ending I could ask for!

    Do you mind naming some examples, since I'm curious what part he acts ooc.

    To me, the ooc that bothers me is in the end, when he decided he can't got with Wei Ying yet, that part is ooc to me.

    No, Lan Zhan sealed his own spiritual powers is because of Wei Ying, since JGY was holding him hostage just like the novel.

    There's a powerful and subtle wangxian moment in ep 50 how LSZ was saying what Wei Ying taught him when he was a child, diaguising pornography as a normal book and how to court beautiful woman etc lol, and Wei Ying was embarrassed and he was looking at Lan Zhan because he really cares what LZ thinks of him lol (that's what I always love about him, like how he cares how LZ sees him); and another part was in that scene when LSZ remembers, Wei Ying and Lan Zhan was looking at each other, with so much love in their eyes, when they reminisce back to child A Yuan almost implying that it's their adopted child since they both raised him before so I really love that Wangxian moment .

    I don't remember LZ said that otherwise that would really stand out for me for a rant loll

    LZ sealed his powers because JGY was holding Wei Ying hostage (just like in the novel)
     
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  2. Sauling

    Sauling Wangxian[忘羨] is my Precious OTP ( ˘ ³˘)♥

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    Actually now that I think about it even watching the whole thing I still don't know the answer...

    Did Lan Zhan went down the cliff right after Wei Ying's death, to see for himself?

    I like to believe he did, and that's how he found A-Yuan... And then around that time that scumbag SuShe was trying to destroy Burial Mound, and Lan Zhan was protecting it that's what earned him those discipline whips....

    But then if that is all true, I.e. Lan Zhan did went down to search for Wei Ying's body, then why did he told Wei Ying he went 3 years after?? That doesnt make sense to me.... Or is this a plot inconsistency here??
     
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    It probably goes.. WY fell, LZ went to Burial Mound, found AY, brought AY back, received punishment, bedridden, 3 years later searched down the cliff.

    Which was weird imo

    Given his emotional outburst when WY fell, I would have expected he would mindlessly scrambled to the bottom of the cliff to find him, be it dead or alive.
     
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    Sauling Wangxian[忘羨] is my Precious OTP ( ˘ ³˘)♥

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    I think it was said that the reason he went to Burial Mound was to search for traces of Wei Ying, so that's how he came to find AY on his end, but at that time, SuShe and the other sects also came to destroy the remains of Burial Mound, and that's why Lan Zhan was protecting it, which made him deflect against the other sect and got him those discipline whips, and afterwards, got imprisoned for 3 years.

    But honestly, going by what he said wouldn't make sense since he said he didn't went to search for Wei Ying until 3 years later, we know why he didn't go until 3 years later. Really Lan Zhan? So you seriously didn't go and search for him until 3 years later?

    It's so weird and inconsistent, because when you look at his overall character, and his outburst when Wei Ying fell, he definitely would have went right away, which is how I gathered he ended up searching in Burial Mound, so the question is... Why did he told Wei Ying he didn't search for Wei Ying's body until 3 years later??

    I'm trying to really rack my brain trying to think of an explanation but the more I think, the more it doesn't make sense to me.....

    Someone can enlighten me if they know what exactly happened, because my belief in his character told me he went right away after Wei Ying fell, but because he couldn't find traces of Wei Ying's body, he ended up searching in Burial Mound. But going by this being the actual truth, why wasn't he being honest to Wei Ying? I don't see a reason for him to lie. Or was it because they need to mention the discipline whips???
     
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    Sauling Wangxian[忘羨] is my Precious OTP ( ˘ ³˘)♥

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    LET'S JUST APPRECIATE THE UNTAMED FOR REMAINING FAITHFUL TO WANGXIAN, AND NOT BEING HETERONORMATIZED. Just read this on Tumblr, and this is so true, I resonate with this so much:


    So yes, they didn't have to give us that final moment where we get "Wei Ying", but they did, despite all the odds, I think we should just appreciate they remaining as close to canon as possible, even though I have problems with censorship how it changed some scenes (and I still do), but I am forever thankful that in the overall, Wangxian is irreplaceable and they are defined as 'Soulmates' instead of them slapping the 'bro' on our face, so yeah, imo, l do think we should support the view-count to this drama, I want to go and click on every single episode, just to have the view count raised higher (on Tencent):)
     
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    Oh, don't worry about that.

    Even with all my rants, I definitely, 100% adore The Untamed.

    I might complain about how some things got downplayed or changed or spin to navigate the intricate border of censorship but overall, I absolutely adore the whole thing.

    In fact, if I didn't like it so much, I probably won't be grumbling as much hahaha

    I wonder if I'm on my way to blackened myself into an anti-fan...

    That was what weirder me out too. Given how much of an emotional outburst he let on at that episode, I think that was the episode when I saw so much intense emotions he expressed in one setting, I would have expected he'd fought his way through all the other cultivators and climbed down the cliff to find his remains immediately.

    Who knows, maybe we'll get more insight in the extras? *hint*travelling together seeing the place he died*hint*
     
  7. Sauling

    Sauling Wangxian[忘羨] is my Precious OTP ( ˘ ³˘)♥

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    Oh, I totally understand how you feel there, I'm the same, and I understand that feeling "if I didn't like it so much, I won't be grumbling as much hahaha", I am like that too.

    While I do love The Untamed, and yeah, I will also be watching this again, there are also certain parts in the drama, I wish was done better, one of them is Wei Ying not being downgraded when it comes to his powers, and some other parts is how they handled the plot to certain battles etc, so yeah, there are definitely cons in this drama for me, but in the overall, I'm just happy that they did remain as close to the source material as possible, and what matters most is at least we got that "Wei Ying" at the end over nothing at all.

    P:S: Tencent 'Untamed' has 8.7, and I'm guessing that's the rating for the drama?
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    If so, that's pretty impressive, for the rating to increase this much! :aww:

    Yeah, that was indeed the episode where it shows Lan Zhan expresses so much intense emotions, and I personally love it <3 It is within his character to do so, and I like to believe that he did for all said, so maybe he wasn't really being honest with his feelings when he told him he went 3 years later, I rather take it that he wasn't honest than him not going down right away to look for Wei Ying's body xD.

    As for the side stories, I really hope one of the side-stories will give us hints of Wangxian being together, or them traveling together, I will be even happy if in the movie, it is through Sizhui's mouth that he said HanGuang Jun and Senior Wei is doing well, traveling together night hunting when Wen Ning asked about Wei Ying and HanGuang Jun etc <3

    For the two side-stories, which they confirmed they have filmed, I am hoping that one of the side stories will be the 'Iron Hook' Extra or maybe even the 'Gate Crashing', that would be so worth adapting into the Live-Action imo <3
     
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    it’s a plot inconsistency. they’re trying to explain LWJ’s punishment without having him take WWX to a cave. but imo they shouldn’t have (just like many other pointless additions...but I digress). he killed a bunch of ppl at Nightless City for WWX, it would be enough for LXC and the Lan clan members present to just dragged him back to the Cloud Recesses right then and there. idg why they would let him run around down the cliff or to the Burial Mound afterwards lol

    athough I’m pretty sure he told WN on the boat that he found A-yuan before the Nightless City
     
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    Surprisingly, I would be okay with this. Look at how much you've kicked me down to earth Wangxian... I would even settle for one line hahahaha
    :blobbunny: I want Yunmeng date instead....bromance style, of course.
     
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    Did you play it directly on the site? Try downloading and playing it.
     
  12. Sauling

    Sauling Wangxian[忘羨] is my Precious OTP ( ˘ ³˘)♥

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    Maybe it is a plot-inconsistency sigh..... And this makes him protecting Burial Mound another inconsistent because I do believe that after he protected Burial Mound, he got those discipline whips because of what JGY said... So what got him to 'Burial Mound' in the first place? This whole thing really doesn't make sense to me anymore, this is why I love the novel better because at least, it makes sense that fills in the plot holes for me..lol.

    Haha, I wouldn't mind one sentence to confirm that Wangxian further emphasis that they did got together at the end, and have been traveling, I honestly would rather this than seeing them separated and meeting up again which defeats the whole beauty of the original ending to CQL. Also, I think having this said through Sizhui's mouth, just by referring to them in a sentence, will most likely escape censorship, since it's just a sentence confirming Wangxian and you don't visually see it to show the gay to go on censorship radar, so whatever works to Wangxian favour, I'll take, even if it's just one line hahaha.

    I also want to have that Yunmeng date extra adapted in the live-action :aww:, like Wei Ying taking Lan Zhan to all those stores, even if it's just a glimpse, and yes, "bromance" style ofcourse :blobcatblush:
     
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    signal boost: fans are trying to get CQL up to 8.0 on douban when it finishes airing. if anyone is interested in giving CQL 4 stars or higher, you can create an account (will need phone verification) and vote here. (and if you DON’T want to give it 4 stars or higher, then pls don’t bother with the effort:blobsweat:)

    also yes, please stream CQL eps on Tencent if it’s possible. I’m still doing it daily. once it officially finishes airing for non-VIP in 2 weeks it will be locked up as VIP only and it’ll hard to increase view counts. 5 billion would be a perfect number for 50 eps and it’s at 4.2 billion now
     
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    Sauling Wangxian[忘羨] is my Precious OTP ( ˘ ³˘)♥

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    I try voting on Douban before but that site doesn't like me, since I couldn't get pass the phone verification.... It's also because after that day, my Wechat account got blocked.... Talk about the luck... I do really want to give CQL a higher rating because I'm supporting this live-action, but it just never works for me... I did, however, just jumped onto Tencent and click on every single episode available for me, to raise it's view-count :blobsweat: As for rating goes, I silently pray that there are other fans who can vote on my behalf :blobsweat:

    P.S: I am happy the rating on Tencent for CQL got raised to 8.7 (if that is actually the rating) ~

    @shuwei , just checking as long as I click into the episode, that counts as 1 view right? Or do I have to wait until the episode starts to count as 1 view? Since the beginning, it always starts off with the advertisements.
     
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    to be honest have I have no idea how view count works on Tencent or if it’s as strict as Youtube. I just do the most safe way and just let my computer stream through all the eps all day.
     
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    Sauling Wangxian[忘羨] is my Precious OTP ( ˘ ³˘)♥

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    :blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful::blobfearful:
    Ok...... I will probably do that too... Just to be on the safe side :sweating_profusely::sweating_profusely::sweating_profusely::sweating_profusely::sweating_profusely::sweating_profusely:
     
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    :blobpeek: I also vote for Yunmeng date and Gatecrashing extras, if China didn't have so much censorship i would have liked to see the Taiwan extra which is one of my favorites but alas :blobpensive: Honestly the more you guys talk about the extras the more impatient i get to have even just one drop of info on it, i haven't been this impatient since waiting for MDSZ S2.

    So we only have 2 weeks to get it to 5 billion?? Why does Tencent even block the episodes as VIP after it finishes airing :blobneutral: I'm watching currently and it freezes like every 4 minutes, i've been stuck seeing the same picture for like 1 minute as of now. Anyone else have this problem or is it just me??
     
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    Sauling Wangxian[忘羨] is my Precious OTP ( ˘ ³˘)♥

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    I know right, I hope to see the Taiwan extra too, since that's also one of my favourite <3 That chapter is just Wangxian papapa :blobnosebleed: and domestic Wangxian afterwards, I love it so much!! :bloblove: Lan Zhan taking care of Wei Ying is just... :bloblove::bloblove:

    And yeah, if China didn't have so much censorship :facepalm: It would not ruin our enjoyment...:facepalm: And I also feel that CQL would have been even better too!

    I wanted to stream all episodes in one go on my computer, but it freezes my computer up so badly, so I'll just let 1 episode play on my computer and 1 episode being played on my Tablet, so let's work hard together, to increase the view ratings for CQL! :aww::aww::aww:

    It's currently 42.4!

    @Lavinia , what episode are you watching? It's not happening to me. Maybe try using Firefox? Or try refreshing the page?
     
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    I have to confess i'm too weak for caring and doting Lan Zhan :blobmelt: The way he buys food for Wei Ying, don't hesitate to give money to him and even bathes him when he's dirty, too much pampering for my poor heart :blobsmilehappyeyes: To me Lan Zhan is ideal lover, he may not talk much but the way he expresses himself is so sweet and tender :bloblove::bloblove: Why did MXTX have to make him so perfect?? I read countless books and none of the ML compare to LWJ.

    I'm watching on Chrome on my laptop, i'll try to see if i can watch on my phone too. I'm currently on episode 2 and having same problems, maybe it's cause i have adblock on?? but i can still see ads :blobneutral:

    Edit: i took adblock off and apparently it was lagging so much cause i was too busy changing tabs between seeing and reading posts on the forum, either way it's finally loading normal for me now.
     
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    Sauling Wangxian[忘羨] is my Precious OTP ( ˘ ³˘)♥

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    Oh, I'm sure anyone is weak to caring and doting Lan Zhan :blobmelt:
    Lan Zhan didn't just buy foods for Wei Ying, but he went beyond that which made me love him even more, assuming you are following the translations to EXR?
    During the Family Feast, you know how Lan Zhan came back very late? Wei Ying assumed he actually went to that Hunan Restaurant to buy all those Spicy food for him?
    Apparently, those were all dishes Lan Zhan prepared, i.e. he cooked for Wei Ying :blobicecreamlove::blobicecreamlove: So yeah, I think that was really, really, really sweet imo! :aww: Wei Ying was touched when he found out, and you know what? I was the same :blobicecreamlove:

    And yes, I absolutely adore how Lan Zhan dotes on Wei Ying, and how he doesn't hesitate to give him money, how he even help bathes him, take him to the tub, and help him get dress afterwards, I'm like... :blobicecreamlove::blobicecreamlove: Why can't someone like LZ be real?? But then again, that's what makes him so perfect, and I am not complaining because I love Lan Zhan just the way he is!! :bloblove::bloblove:

    Apparently, my Tablet just keeps stopping at a certain point, and that was when I was watching on Chrome :blobawkward: So I'm not sure if it's Chrome or something. Anyways, Firefox seems to be working fine for me though. I also have adblock on, but it's working fine for me. But I'm glad it works for you now :)
     
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