Discussion Fate/stay night question

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  1. Jojo775

    Jojo775 Honorary Algae Knight

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    Why does Arturia want to "save" her country as a wish to the grail? Isn't her country fine now, you could even say its doing great since at one point it was a superpower and it's influence still remains.
    I mean what does she expect, prevent civil war from her time and what then everyone would live happily ever after as if other wars wouldn't follow? Not to mention how that would screw up history, I'll just let that one go since she probably doesn't understand what messing with time does.
     
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    Frozen ink Legally had harem『Cathulu』Power of Love & Evil』

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    in the fate verse she basically regrets picking up the sword , which she uses the excuse of saving the country and therefore never needing to pick up Excalibur to begin with desu

    ps. to be fair getting betrayed by your "son" and forced to kill em and basically always fighting till u die is kinda sad desu

    pps. this explanation skips literally hours of lore so take it with a grain of salt desu
     
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    Jojo775 Honorary Algae Knight

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    I skimmed trough her wiki, was she a temporary futa?
     
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    I don't know if you read the VNs but it goes into more detail there. Essentially her rule as king was a failure, remember she died to civil war, as did almost all her knights. She believes that somebody else might have been worthy to pull Caliburn from the stone and that person would have been able to keep things together. Modern-day Britain is a result of numerous civil wars and the invasion of the Normans, who were some of king Arthurs enemies so you can't really say its the result of king Arthurs court
     
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    More like merlin was a troll incubus who was trying to provide the kingdom with an heir but ended up screwing everything up.
     
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    Frozen ink Legally had harem『Cathulu』Power of Love & Evil』

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    sister made magic baby using some of her blood? or some shit desu
     
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    Frozen ink Legally had harem『Cathulu』Power of Love & Evil』

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    this should really help desu
    also technically an alter form desu
     
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    She was more blind than Shirou, hence, she couldn't bring herself to acknowledge the errs she committed in her past life (her time). In Fate/Zero two kings criticized Saber for not acting like a king, but it was more of Rider disappointed with her, while Archer was... Archer.
     
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    Jojo775 Honorary Algae Knight

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    I would say it's still fine as regimes change, but Normans are French right? Or were they also Anglo saxons that hadn't moved just yet?
     
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    SquirFail The One Who Forgets, Dreamer, Observer

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    Merlin taught everything Artoria know from swordplay to kingship but as Merlin was non human he really doesnt understand/feel human emotions or the heart of being a human which Artoria also picked up. And this is root cause of all what happened during her time and was Merlins biggest regret before being imprisoned in Avalon. As said Artoria doesnt understand human emotions more than Merlin (actually he does at some extent but chooses to ignore it) she completely ignores everything what a human insecurities and needs, she solely focuses in what a king should do, i.e protecting the country from foreign invaders which wasnt really rampant as she makes it to be after becoming a king, and also from beasts. and also she focuses too much on his kingly duties and face which was one of the cause of Mordreds rebellion. long story short she wasnt wasnt much of a great king that everybody expects her to be and from the eye of the masses she became more of a tyrant and was the reason her country collapses and open from attacks
     
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    reagents 11 disaster personified

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    Because she felt responsible. That's it. And that's why we can't find her graves because she stuck on fuyuki city in Japan that we have overlooked all this time because Merlin interference.
     
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    No, she reign as a great king. A humane king? Certainly not, but as a king enforcing order in her kingdom? Yes, she certainly did the best among her peers, and that is why she failed, because the problems she couldn't see relied on human emotions, which by far, she at that time did not possess or was incapable of. As Lancelot said to her, she was too great for them to follow. No normal human could withstand her reign, because how can any human be able to be perfect or absolutely self-control themselves like her, when they passions, emotions, and desires alike?

    She did not fail them, they failed her! (In my opinion)
    It's like that argument about "undeserving but needed".
     
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    she's too perfect as a king. that was why the reason lancelot became mad in the fate lore.
     
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    if homunculus count as human it should be good for merlin to create ton of homunculi based of her
     
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    SquirFail The One Who Forgets, Dreamer, Observer

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    for the knights he was a great king but for the masses from the villages he do acts similar to what a tyrant and warmonger would do, though she did all that to protect her country but she of all people gave them the most fear and insecurity and also she didnt even help rebuild those villages she destroyed
     
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    Homunculi are too inefficient to be used as proper pawns except for minor tasks or magical resources. There are exceptions, but such exceptions come from ancient households that specialized in mage-craft.
    She was clearly authoritarian and utilitarian during her reign. She ain't perfect, but she was the best of many kings to rule, but the people were obviously against such a great king, for they prefer sympathizing and a more flawed human than a rigid perfectionist. It all goes down to the "singularity" and the people are flawed humans, who in their right, were more human than her. Incompatible but understandable.

    You would fear what is not of your kind (mentality), even if they look and speak the same as you.
     
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    SquirFail The One Who Forgets, Dreamer, Observer

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    She was clearly authoritarian and utilitarian during her reign. She ain't perfect, but she was the best of many kings to rule, but the people were obviously against such a great king, for they prefer sympathizing and a more flawed human than a rigid perfectionist. It all goes down to the "singularity" and the people are flawed humans, who in their right, were more human than her. Incompatible but understandable.

    You would fear what is not of your kind (mentality), even if they look and speak the same as you.[/QUOTE]
    that was the problem, she made quick and cold decisions without second thoughts, she would burn villages and poison the water of her own country to deal with the incoming enemy which you must never do, unless a last resort ( which she would immediately do), she didnt truly convey anything to her people and would do constant skirmishes outside the country which resulted on the barbarians on attacking her own. I love Saber but she had that coming.. well in the end its more subjective if she was a great king or not, but she was a king who loved and wanted to protect her country
     
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    It's hard to actually tell if all or most of her actions were too cold, or there was no longer any other option due to the state of the kingdom. We do know... her knights acknowledged her as their greatest king, but hated her in their own human incompetence (like being unable to control their dark sides as a human). Ironic, she was exactly like Kiritsugu except Kiritsugu was at least a little more human than her, because he hoped while she never. Only during final reign or after her defeat, did she truly hope in a sense, thus, became a servant.
     
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