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  1. llian

    llian Member

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  2. nonononononono

    nonononononono NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO

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    <style>
    .showme{
    display: none;}

    .showhim:hover .showme{
    display: block;
    }
    </style>

    <span class="showhim">.

    <span class="showme">
    fill in 1000 to 2000 meaning less words here
    </span>
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    put above code anywhere in your chapters
     
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  3. nonononononono

    nonononononono NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO

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    http://jsfiddle.net/MBLZx/
    this is what the code will do.
    if any aggregator sites crawl your book, they will be flooded with some meanless words first before the actual content is crawled.
     
  4. Wujigege

    Wujigege *Christian*SIMP*Comedian

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    Contact novel updates and ask them to stop adding your chapter links here.

    @Tony
     
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    tides Well-Known Member

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    does it work on wordpress blog?

    i also guess it doesn't work on wattpad or WN?
     
  6. nonononononono

    nonononononono NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO

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    I think so
     
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    Get yourself an .onion domain
     
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    xiazixin Well-Known Member

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    @Kalto it doesn't work, there are tons of pron video in .onion domains aggravated every day. As long at its not locked, they can get in.
     
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    What about adding something in between like cloudflare?
     
  10. Kiskaiya

    Kiskaiya 【Let’s pretend】

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    One thing I've seen a translator do before is use pictures of the text instead of the actual text. Another one made all of their text a link, apparently that worked, at least for a while
     
  11. xiazixin

    xiazixin Well-Known Member

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    Look at Mangadex with $200 monthly cloud fair bundle and the ddos and alligator still taking Manga from them.

    It never worked.

    The only way works is flash clips. But Adobe flash was never safe.
    You need a security team to make sure your site stays safe. From hacker/ddos/Mia.

    So your better off posting your translation as a YouTube video slide show.
    Even than alligator can still take screen shots of your video and ocr it. So you have to make your video look like a capcha.
    Even that alligator can type it manually.
     
  12. kenar

    kenar ヽ(`・ω・´)ゝ

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    ask your readers. Your work won't be in Novel Updates in the first place if someone isn't submitting your works to NovelUpdates.

    while at that, just delete your blog and goes to sns like chantango and share it with your close friend or do it the hard way, create a program and lock it like what @GM_Rusaku did.

    @runsing, here their group link: https://www.novelupdates.com/group/sl_llian/
    just wanna helping the op.
     
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  13. kenar

    kenar ヽ(`・ω・´)ゝ

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    yeah, that's what I mean. the first chapter or so needs to be submitted manually and then the bot will add your chapter automatically afterwards. I know that it can be pretty discouraging to see your chapters listed in aggregatos websites. You can report to take down your chapters using report button on your profile menu in NovelUpdates main page and listed link(s) and fill in your reason for a report. The staffs here are pretty accommodating and friendly in my honest opinion.
     
  14. A Wandering Panda

    A Wandering Panda Well-Known Member

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    There really isn't a good answer as authors are also subjected to piracy.
     
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  15. HnM_Pete

    HnM_Pete Well-Known Member

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    You are right to think that being on NU is what got you pirated. The good news is that, for now, the scraping bots do not monitor individual translator sites, so getting off NU will stop your work being stolen. The three easiest ways to do that are:
    a) ask the admins to flag your novel/domain that you don't want to be tracked
    b) do something against NU policy ( password protected chapters )
    c) kill RSS and email notifications about new chapters, since NU bots work using RSS ( with email as a fallback ). Keep in mind that this is unreliable. Some users will keep on submitting your chapters manually, and these fuckers WILL ignore your requests not to do that.

    There are no software / code-based methods to protect your work. If it can be read via a browser, it can be copied ( even through screenshot + OCR if necessary ), I've seen some of these sites be determined enough to crack any protection attempts people tried in the past.

    That said, the scraping bots themselves are lazy, vast majority of them will simply grab first sufficiently large chunk of text they find after following the NU link. If you make them land on a page with pure, unedited MTL, they'll take that and leave your actual work alone.

    I'm sorry your first contact with this community happened in this manner. It used to be a nicer place, but then big money got involved and here we are. In yet another manga-scanlation-like cesspit.
     
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  16. Westeller

    Westeller Smokin' Sexy Style!! Staff Member

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    You're right that knowing who first submitted your work to Novel Updates would be pointless now, and someone else probably would have if they didn't. In fact, it looks like your translation was one of the earliest ever listed on this site. ... I'm sure the person who submitted it only wanted to share your translation - and the novel itself - with more people. If they knew about it and thought to submit it here, they must really have liked it. Aggregators stealing it is not their fault. That blame lies solely with the thieves themselves.

    Removing your translation from Novel Updates would do you no good at this point. It'll be just as easy for those sites to track it on their own. Little tricks like @nonononononono suggested won't do you any good, either. It won't work at all because it's been done before, or it'll work right up until someone reading the novel on one of those sites sees it and clicks a report button next to the chapter. They'll fix it as a matter of course, whether your novel is exceedingly popular or not. Your only chance for totally evading them is to have a translation literally no one wants to read.

    Posting content - especially something like a translation - on the internet invites piracy. The end. There is no avoiding it. There is nothing you can do that the MPAA, various tech giants and multi-millionaire video game publishers have not tried and beaten to death with a stick. There isn't even anything you can do that hasn't been tried here. God knows there's a thread somewhere of the hundred thousand tricks and traps translators tried and failed with. There are also dozens of threads exactly like this one.

    Even if you do succeed, it will only be by doing something that frustrates legitimate readers to death.

    Just. Ignore. Them.

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    And "big money" has exactly fuck all to do with aggregators. They've been around for years, long before Qidian took an interest in this community and potential market, long before Patreon became a kind of standard. They were never quite as popular, and their growth was no doubt accelerated by the shift to a more commercial scene, but that same growth was essentially predetermined from the beginning. They were always going to grow as the community did. They are parasites that profit from viewership of collated content. They'll exist wherever significant enough viewership and content does.

    It doesn't help that some translators have driven readers to them by reacting to their presence, doing everything from making reading on the legitimate site a pain in the ass to outright deleting their chapters and quite literally leaving readers no other alternative.

    The only real way to fight aggregators is to make them unnecessary and less attractive.
     
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    Westeller Smokin' Sexy Style!! Staff Member

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    It's about volume. Your translation alone doesn't have enough in the way of readership, sure -- though it looks like a good five hundred people have your translation on their reading list here on Novel Updates, to keep track of new releases from you -- but it's just one novel. There are about five thousand different novels being translated that are currently listed on Novel Updates. Some of which have thousands of chapters on their own. The amount of content is staggering, and continues to grow every day.

    Aggregators can profit by gathering all of these novels in one place, so readers don't have to go to individual translator sites to read them, and by introducing them to readers who would never have discovered them otherwise. ... Novel Updates works much the same, but by providing direct links back to the translator. This site does a good bit to make aggregators less necessary, but they still have a lot of advantages. Standardized chapter formatting, mobile support, being entirely free, great SEO, etc.

    There's a lot of potential for parasites here. The larger translation sites measure their daily traffic in the millions, and have for a couple of years now. Even when pretty much everything was completely free.
     
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    Westeller. Pls.

    The only thing that can possibly make an aggregator unattractive is a bigger aggregator. No translator group can do it alone, because they are hopelessly outclassed in the amount of content. No "legal" aggregator ( or quasi-aggregator ) can do that either, these have to play by them pesky rules while thieves can ignore all that.

    Ignoring the problem will not make it go away. We will just end up like the manga scene, where everyone pretended batoto and mangadex are doing something good while aggregator sites had 80% of the actual traffic. Traffic which is big enough to start attracting attention of the authorities.

    And like it or not, removing your new releases from NU does help. All the big pirates depend on your new release RSS feed for updates and discovery of new titles. After all, it is so much easier than having to track the hundreds of separate and ever-changing translator blogs.
     
  19. xiazixin

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    Just make a hub like some Manga site, it resolved the needs of those website and text server required little resources compare to the mass image server. And are generally harder to ddosed.
     
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    Westeller Smokin' Sexy Style!! Staff Member

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    Like it or not, aggregators have chapters we do not track. Yes, they often find new novels through Novel Updates and scrape us for releases, but it's insane to even pretend Novel Updates is the sole source of their release tracking, or that removing a novel from Novel Updates will prevent them from tracking it themselves -- for many novels, they already do that.

    You might get away with it if, as I said, you have a translation literally no one wants to read. Because that's what has to happen for any type of anti-aggregator gimmick, including removal from Novel Updates, to work. It has to be completely overlooked. Because no one is reading it and no one notices it's broken. Trying to trick them, and expecting it to work, is acknowledging you have an incredibly unpopular translation. All it takes is one reader from an aggregator to report a problem.

    I'm also not expecting people to ignore them completely. I'm saying straight that translators need to make every effort to fight them properly. That means fostering loyalty among your readers, ensuring your site is up to snuff and offering the most common conveniences, not making readers jump through hoops to read legitimately or making it a pain to do so, and embracing platforms for reader interaction -- discord, forums, comment sections. Engage with your readers.

    If you want to top if off with small tricks to frustrate aggregators temporarily, that's fine. Great, even. But it's important to keep priorities straight. Don't make things difficult for your legitimate readers. Don't obsess over doing everything possible to make your site obscure, inaccessible, or untouchable to aggregators. Don't push your readers to aggregators while trying to "fight" them. Don't go out of your way to make people want to read on an aggregator.

    Don't strangle your own readers while spouting vitriol about people stealing from you.

    And you're right. Aggregators will never go anywhere, and they're always going to have a certain level of popularity. You can't "kill" them. And a "bigger aggregator" won't even do that. It might fight them for traffic, but they aren't going anywhere in the end.

    No, that's all anyone can do: fight them for traffic. And that's what we should be focusing on. We should make them as irrelevant as possible. They're always going to exist, but they don't have to be the largest sites around. They don't have to be community hubs or the place everyone and anyone goes to read.

    ... and say what you want about legal, quasi-aggregators not being enough, but making things harder for them just makes regular aggregators all the more attractive to readers. We can remove translations. But if aggregators keep tracking them anyway, readers that used this platform to read your translation are going to them instead. Readers are not going to track your site themselves. Not most of them, anyway. And the more novels not tracked here, the less relevant this site is overall.

    At that point, you're just helping them, not harming them.