Discussion Novel slavery...

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  1. jaywalker

    jaywalker Well-Known Member

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    In many of the novel that i read, especially the Japanese one, other races are usually being enslave by the human.
    So my question is, how the hell are they so weak?
    Okay, the most usual one is the elves. They tall, beautiful, good with magic, good with archery, live longer and so much more.
    So the question is still again, why the HELL are they so f**king weak?
    What, did the elves or any of the other races so stupid or just decide to watch as things goes on?
    If the human race can be good at one thing then why can't they be as well.
    In fact in most cases the human is usually a balance type, while the other race has some sort of innate advantage over another, so why the hell are they still so weak?
    I just didn't understand it...

    Anyway how bout you guys....
     
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    We are all slaves to novels...

    ...oh wait. We're talking about slavery in novel, not about being slaves to novels. Aight, imma head out :blobpeek: Hope you have a great day! :blobsmilehappyeyes:
     
  3. asriu

    asriu fu~ fu~ fu~

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    if it not explained then either author not care or it not that important for story

    as for my opinion for it
    meh~
    case to case there plenty reason I can give
    plainly simple less united, numbers, technology, internal strive and deux fux... GOD WISH IT!
     
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    juniorjawz Well-Known Member

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    Hunger, restraint, loss aversion... the list goes on... oh hi there just walking the other way don't mind me ~
     
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    War. When defeating and subjugating an opposing force, you eliminate the strong, the smart, and the rebellious leaving behind the defenseless. Then these defenseless are subjected to generations of oppression that cements into them the mindset of inferiority and subservience. Until it reaches a point that the status quo of repression is all they know and they could never imagine anything else.

    At least until a figure appears that knows that there can be other ways and leads them in an uprising. Kinda like how the Hebrew were enslaved to the Egyptians until Moises, a figure who did not grow up as a slave, inspired them to escape.
     
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    It´s because humans breeds like rats and therefore our territory of a world would be very high compared to other races. Sure, a single man would loose against a dwarf, elf whatever but humans don't fight wars alone.
     
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    Probably because the author was and is human. Normally u wouldn't like to place your own kind into slave even only inside a story.

    Though novelly my answer is human greed and adaptability was higher than the other race. Probably.

    Well, usually in a story other races became a slave inside human kingdom and humans became a slave inside other races kingdom.
     
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    I got no idea, perhaps, because that is how most novel writers think how things will be in an isekai :blobunsure:
     
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    asriu fu~ fu~ fu~

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    hunger and restraint imo just secondary or rather side effect from main problem
    it may come from war with other factions or something like prisoner
    on I forget which story bug I mean goddess favours human while nerfing other.... on rabbit story intervention from earth made human faction have superior technology so war with other faction become relative easier which made human feel superior race and other race just slave one
     
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    Amaruna Myu ugly squid dokja (●´∀`●)

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    1) for easy harem creation
    2) for easy slave collection
    3) for easy plot flow
    4) for the sake of easy
     
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    elves usualy in the novels have low population because of their long lives....while beastman they form tribes and rarely group.....
    this is the norm of most novels with some exception.....to sum it human are good at reproducing....
     
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    This is not what I was expecting when I opened the thread..
    I thought it will be about how authors are enslaved buy views/readers if their novel that they have to work everyday to churn out atleast 1 chapter a day or how we as the readers are enslaved by novel that we now have a hard a time socializing..

    Totally not what I was expecting...
     
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    Actually the main way is not the inferiority complex consistently it generally breaks down within a few generations which is why in Rome and Greece your freedom could be bought either with cash that you earned or just from time spent as a slave. The actual main way is continual raiding and capturing and removing those whom have been slaves to guard the slaves~
    *Skaven yes-yes noises can be heard in the background*
     
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    There is no reason or logic to it, the whole thing is bullshit no matter what the author says. It is just for fetishest, guys that get a little woody at the idea of a hot girl calling them master. I mean think about it why does the protagonist almost never free the girls he buys? He could easily do it, they could still travel and go on adventures with him. But no, whenever the issue comes up the author will pull another bullshit excuse out of his ass, and justify her remaining enslaved.
     
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    ^This is literally all there is to it
     
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    chamchaworld Lazy Chibi

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    Maybe because even though isekai is amazing with magic and all of those fantasy things, they are kinda have ancient system. So what the most normal thing ancient people do? Slavery!!!
     
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    Their soil is so fertile that they can do this [​IMG]

    jokes aside...what can you do when outnumbered?
     
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    Usually it's because humans breed like rabbits, while the other races have children every 1,000 years or something.

    Though of note is that in No Game No Life, the humans (Imanity) were the weakest race and as a result, had no political clout whatsoever until the main characters came into play. So humans aren't really always the strongest.

    In some stories, while the average strength of elves, dwarves, etc. far surpass humans, the strongest of each race aren't too far from each other. One such example of this Overgeared. Every elf is strong-ish, but the strongest elves don't overwhelm the strongest humans. Same for other races, including possibly the gods... In Tensei Slime, the human heroes are strong enough to fight dragons, despite the average human being so weak that they couldn't kill a dragon in its sleep.

    And in some stories, humans are weak, but have large territories because the other races are so few in population that they don't need as much territory. For example, in Trash of Count's Family, the dragons are stronger than every other race by quite a lot. However, given there's less than 10 of them, even if each of them has a larger territory per dragon than other races, they still don't need nearly as much territory as the weaker races.

    And in some, though they have racial advantages, they're not actually stronger than humans overall. Most notably, beast-men are usually described as physically powerful, but balanced out by weaker magic.

    Similarly, in CN stories with bloodlines and stuff, some also purport that bloodlines are a fixed power level. As they grow stronger, it becomes relatively less and less important. We see this in Coiling Dragon, for example. So their weakest members are pretty strong, but their peak members are not much stronger than the peak of non-bloodline people.

    Lastly, humans seem to be the race that create the biggest societies and go for industrialization. Elves typically abhor destroying nature, and are isolationists. Beast-men, as well, typically stick to tribal traditions. More strength but no advanced weapons and armor as well as no intricate war strategies and military systems... makes sense for them to lose out in large scale battles in stories where their advantage isn't overwhelming.

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    Forgot to mention some stories like Shield Hero, where demi-human slaves exist, but human slavery is also a thing. Since the story mainly took place in a human-supremacist society, we saw demi-humans being treated like shit... but apparently there were countries that were the opposite. We just don't get to see it much in the story because of where it took place.
     
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    Buy/save a slave, being kind to her, then the slave will use her body to pay him, and there we go, instant snu snu without any love.
     
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    ElefantVerd It's not me, and it's not you.

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    Let's leave aside the fact that the author can enslave whoever he wants. Why would a proud and strong race as the elves turn into slaves?

    They can be not that proud and not that strong, but the problem can be that they are too few, and are easy prey to hunters when they are doing their elvish things in the woods.

    Or they live in small villages that are easy prey to large groups of hunters or even armies. Living long lives makes them a race with not a strong attachment to mundane things, like sex and reproduction, or even make them have low fertility rates and that would result in them being few and

    And they can be made slaves by other elves and sold as merchandise by enemy elvish tribes. You know, the flute-blowing tribe hates the long-eared tribe, and they wage war every year during the hunter moon. Those that aren't killed are enslaved and maybe even sold to despicable humans (because of money).

    Having low birth rates, living in small villages, they aren't that a warrior race and are easy prey to slave-hunting.

    They are strong as individuals as hunters, warriors or sorcerers, but are weak against groups. They have no cohesion as groups, cannot work under a hierarchy, they have no strategy against an army or group and that way they can be targeted easily, provided that you don't attack everyone at the same time.

    Obviously, Tolkien disagrees.
     
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