Discussion Chinese authors hate heaven

There are some novels come with logical reasons:
- The heaven can't truly control everything, they have rules that they must follow. Like a body can be killed by cancer.
- The heaven is in fact a god or the gods. They can view anything, but their view is limited by one scene per moment.

 

They can't hate the government so they can only hate heaven.

 

In western novel the protagonist is luck gated, they can be powerful as the gods deciding which god lives or dies but only if they are lucky enough to be the chosen one.

In Chinese novels the protagonist is money gated, want the secret techniques for the next tier? Grind ten years for the money. Forty years for the tier after that. Power pills? Get grinding. The ancient loli fox grandpa hermit is just a high payout shortcut for the grinding. Protagonist has as much chance of reading divine text and become god as the faceless minion down the street, if they have the cash for it.

 

Pay to win

 

That or they just have to fall from a cliff.

After all, Cliff-shi is the CN's version of the JP's Truck-sensei : if you want to get TUEEE in Japan you have to find a truck with an half asleep driver, and if you want to get a golden finger in China, you have to find a cliff...

 

It is standard wish fulfillment. Just like how Japanese want to run away to a vacation in another world to relieve their stress, the Chinese want to break free from the authority pressing them down. This is why most of xianxia novels are about crushing people above them on the social ladder. Heaven just happens to be the top of said ladder.

End of the day, if you pay attention, the CN MC is no different than the young masters he defeats. Aka, its all about beating all the young masters above you and becoming the new young master.

 

Heaven gave them success catering to the whims of desperate, horny, lonely and bored people, shoehorning them into a career where they are forced to follow tired cliches and standard templates for the rest of their lives or risk financial ruin.

I'd hate heaven too if I were in their shoes, forced into artistical bankruptcy to maintain my lifestyle, no doubt despising myself for writing all this garbage

 

What did you want from a country who deem those who reincarnated into that country without party permission are illegal

 

You actually do have to explain this. It's just 4 titles out of god knows how many Chinese novels are out there, and only two of these even has the Chinese word for "heaven" in it!

 

there are at least half of the Chinese MC's who are obsessed on either killing gods or destroying heaven

 

The number is nowhere even close to that; Chinese web novels are far too varied for that kind of generalization. Besides, the gods and heaven are only peripherally related in Chinese literature. And hell, a lot of the blame should go to the translator instead of the writer. For example, the concept of "逆天" is fairly common and it can be translated as "defying heaven" so you'd think that it'd be a perfect example for this thread. But what it actually means is "defying fate" and you'll see it in a ton of books that don't even have anything supernatural in them! This kind of thing happens all the time in translations because the Chinese language is often not interested in being precise but English doesn't work the same way. And so translators are put in the tough spot of either going with words that are precise but possibly misleading or with words that are correct but sound very clunky in English. Or you get outright mistranslated titles - that happens a lot too.

 

Its just a joke man, you took it seriously.

 

Is there any fun in novels that does the oposite of hating or defying heaven?
If heaven exists..

 

There is; if the writer is good enough. I've read a book where the protagonist is very smart and constantly makes short, medium, and long term plans. Some of these plans are very intricate and well thought out, but heaven (the impersonal version) decides that they suck and throws curveballs to wreck them. This happens all the time and in all kinds of circumstances and the protagonist ends up in a completely different position than the one that he envisioned. The book is absolutely awesome.

 

how is this not defying heaven though?? going with heaven would = heaven threw a curveball at him to wreck him, and then IT WRECKS HIM. if bc protag is so smart or whatever that he changes his fate (of being wrecked) , then he has "fought against heaven"

 

But that's assuming that fate can only do negative things to people. In this case, fate shows the protagonist that grander things are possible and he takes full advantage of those new opportunities.

 

if your life goes well (positive things happen) there would be no reason to go against fate/heaven.... at that point you're just reading about someone's perfect life....

 

That's only one way to write this kind of story. The more interesting approach is for fate to provide the opportunity, but then you'd have to have the ability and the guts to take advantage of said opportunity. In the book I mentioned, the protagonist came up with conservative plans because he was afraid of the risk and because he thought that history was set in stone so that certain outcomes were unavoidable. Fate changes things by showing that history is not immalleable; that it can change and indeed change in unexpected ways.

 

Does fate provide opportunity to everyone, or only to one single person? I am not sure if you are arguing for fate or arguing for opportunity, but you name it "fate".
Here, fate means someone who is born with seven moles on one of his foot, arranged in the shape of the big dipper, signifying his fate to be the new Emperor. Opportunity means "Everyone has a chance to be emperor, and next year it is my turn", as uttered by Son Goku before he is summarily suppressed.