Discussion So you can't published explicit writings nowadays.

So it seems society is a closet pervert, huh? Talk about the irony.

*squints at you eye to eye patiently* I know you have murder boner right now. Don't deny it, son. We all do; we all do.

 

More like closet lolicon.
People claim Lolita was popular because it is some literary masterpiece and that they all watched/read it for literary "research purposes"
But we all know that aint true.
Lolicon now has a genre of its own

 

Think @Wujigege 's initial reaction was against some comments above that made very blanket statements -- "fictional depictions" are totally ok, "reality" not ok.
Which we should all agree is clearly mistaken.

 

Hard to tell.

Our "socially accepted values" are exactly that ... dictated by the majority of society. We all live in our own bubbles and cliques, so it's often jarring when something different comes along that becomes an actual trend (e.g. the conservative movement). Not everyone is on the same page about what's considered as "a step forward".

Some historians say this might be the typical last hurrahs of a dying movement. Think there were good recent examples dating to the Thatcher era. For all we know, the left-leaning liberals/progressives could be a dying breed in another 50 yrs, but I probably won't live long enough to find out.

 

Ok, at first I thought it was a deranged fic with the kids doing the nasty to warrant this. But it's one sentence about abuse? Something that actually happens in the world? Sure it's unpleasant to read, but it's meant to invoke disgust. Do they think if they ban this in books and media, it'll stop happening or something? They imprison one author, and suddenly shitty people stop abusing their kids? And where do they draw the line? Can news be written about adults caught abusing kids or would that also be distributing childp*rn? Can someone write their autobiography and include a part where the local priest molested them, or would they go to jail for including that passage? I hope the judge laughs those soft-headed people out.

 

Yup, i know an analogy - video games promote violence and all that. Scared what Rambo movies can do...

 

personally imo it government attempt to divert public attention from more concerning problem~
politic, economy, education, healthcare, corruption and other thing which if you look overall state of country you may realize it is more important~ by having public debating Morality and or Etiquette oh well~ I'm not saying those two not important but with recent Moral or Social Value debate while public on west seem not care what happen on politic yup~ diversion on play~

 

Easily offended have nothing to do with it. Russia is just as enthusiastic about restricting people's rights and freedoms as USA.
I suspect a global conspiracy.
But @asriu 's version is also plausible.

 

I can’t really comment on the novel itself (because there’s a lack of information available about it in English), but if it’s as the article described—a few passages describing child abuse of non-erotic intent—then I don’t see why the author should be arrested. There’s a lot of worse stuff out there on the Internet.

When it comes to the topic of censorship, written & illustrated pornography depicting [fictional] children is often brought up. While I agree that people who read/write/illustrate that stuff should not be jailed, I do find them... a bit concerning.

I’m not talking about the particular author in the article—because that case seemed rather tame—but I’m referring to the really heinous, outright pornographic loli/shota stuff out there.

Spoiler: ???

Would I want these people around my [hypothetical] children? Hell no.

Would I be particularly upset if the government choose to censor loli/shota porn? No.

I wouldn’t want people to be arrested over it, and I wouldn’t ask for the government to censor anything either... but I wouldn’t care to defend anyone’s rights to post written erotica or drawings depicting sexualized, fictional children either.

Personally, I’m rather indifferent on the subject of censorship regarding this particular matter... but I sometimes see people defending it rather passionately, and I do wonder about them (Again, I don’t mean the tamer stuff, but the more graphically obscene content with no literary merit).

 

The main reason I am willing to defend these people is this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...
In short, freedom has to be defended at every step, because every bit of freedom we lose makes authoritarians stronger.

 

@flannan I briefly think of that poem each time the topic of human rights come up, but I dunno... I mean, it sounds rather slippery-slope-ish.

Regarding censorship—it’s a rather tricky thing when individuals have the technology to bypass it. If someone wants to find something badly enough, they will.

Spoiler: Mildly Off Topic

I think censorship isn’t always so blatant sometimes; it’s more subtle. Maybe governments won’t outright say “such-and-such is banned” and make it an official law, but rather, it’s the tech companies/education system/news & media which holds power over people.

Google/Facebook/Twitter may choose to suppress certain news stories or sites. Like how Google caved in for China to release a censored version of their search engine. (And the US gov is no angel either, as I’m sure the giant tech companies also spy for them).

And maybe it’s not necessarily censorship either, but the education system and the news that people are exposed to. (Which the government also holds influence over).

Like, I’ve heard stories about how many young Japanese people have never heard of war crimes that Japan committed during WW2 (Rape of NanKing, Unit 731 etc).

The unflattering parts of history are not taught in their country’s schools. While that information is available on the web, people live their entire lives without ever hearing of it.

(Sorry, I tend to ramble a lot).

 

Ahh..Nanking!
I recall a female historian/journalist who researched it and committed suicide.
I read it a few years back. Damn! It was pretty sick.
It's not just Nanking, the whole forcing women of colonized territories to become sex slaves for their army. The whole " comfort women" debacle. Calling it comfort women minimalizes something very cruel.
Unlike Nanking, the Korean government have been very public about it. Request reparations and even placing trade sanctions. It caused a trade war not that long ago