Discussion Oda Nobunaga's portrayal in sub culture

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  1. tahzib1451

    tahzib1451 Title?is it food?

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    i recently played Nioh and realized if there is any games or manga with feudal Japan setting plus demons and magic, Nobunaga is a goddamn villain and demon....why the hell is it i dont understand at all....wasnt he a villain too in Samurai Deeper Kyo? apart from the Mibu clan that is.....
     
  2. Estarossa

    Estarossa 《Master of Dessert》°Resurrected Ghoul°

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    Onimusha was my favorite Nobunaga. He became a Demon King.
     
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    hey at least she is hot in FGO
     
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  4. Sabruness

    Sabruness Cultured Yuri Connoisseur

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    It's a common portrayal due to the circumstances behind the person.

    The genderbent versions i've seen in two series arent villains.... though they have been seen as 'demons' by some of their enemies.
     
  5. Sordahon

    Sordahon 『One Person Virtue Is Another One Sin』

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    Read/watch Oda Nobuna no Yabou, it's slightly less bloodthirsty demon like.
     
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    Kiriharu Well-Known Member

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    He's easy to be made villain. This particular campaign of his doesn't help either
     
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    apricotsoda Shy Shy Shy

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    Some Japanese folks see him from a modern perspective as evil because of his ruthlessness to his enemies.
     
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    imK Artful Dodger

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    Brutality was a mark of the time period and all of them did some high-key bad shit at some point or other. Nobunga is a real mixed bag to me. He was ruthless, sometimes brilliant, eccentric and irrational by turns. History is written by the victors which is probably why you're going to see him painted as the villain nine times out of ten. Kind of hypocritical considering his own contemporaries were guilty of much the same with the added bonus of betraying each other and murdering their own kin on the regular.
     
  9. tahzib1451

    tahzib1451 Title?is it food?

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    read it...dint like it.....the anime stopped abruptly too....and ICYMI i said feudal japane with magic and demon settings.... Oda Nobuna was not a demon+magic setting....
     
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    Lazriser Well-Known Member

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    He was a self proclaimed Demon King of the Seven/Nine Heavens/Hells?
     
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    Well, he IS the demon king of the sixth heaven
     
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    Sengoku Basara
     
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    Sordahon 『One Person Virtue Is Another One Sin』

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    Try reading the novel itself, anime is just early into the story. About magic, it exists or rather existed to a point, they have had onmyouji arts but event happend and demon gate was destroyed removing magic from the world.
     
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    Well... Why not? :aww:

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    Hail! My Eternal Loli Ancestor :blobsalute:

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    Several reasons:

    1) He was the sponsor for Christianity in Japan, though he himself wasn't a Christian and didn't believe in Christianity. So the Buddhist monks hated him. The Shinto priests couldn't care less. After he passed away, later rulers (not the emperor) attacked Christianity and Christians like what happened at Amakusa and for a time, Christianity was outlawed and demonized.
    2) He ruined his own father's funeral rites. There were several theories why he did so, and nobody really knows why.
    3) He drove the dude who practically raised him to ritualized suicide. Granted, this happened when he was fairly young and wild, and it was after this event that he started cleaning up his act.
    4) He turned tradition upside down with his reforms. Needless to say the traditionalists, even among his own retainers really didn't like this much.
    5) He burned Mount Hiei, the most sacred place for Buddhists in Japan and almost snuffed out the eternal fire that had burned non-stop since the 8th century.

    There are others, but Ai-chan can't remember.
     
  16. tahzib1451

    tahzib1451 Title?is it food?

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    thanks for the factual answer.....none of the others gave me the answer i was looking for....
     
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    imK Artful Dodger

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    They were all pretty evil by modern standards tbh. Murder was the order of the day and all of the daimyo did it well. Not judging them at all. I don't care and it was normal back then. Nobunga was just more blatant about it so maybe that's why he gets the 'bad' stick when really they were all just as bad as each other.
     
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    Out of the all the real feudal Japan era figures I have seen or heard of depicted in Japanese games, light/web novels, anime, and manga, I think Oda Nobunaga might be the most popular or commonly-depicted figure.
     
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    Wujigege *Christian*SIMP*Comedian

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    That's not fair, the answer below is pretty factual and one of the points @Ai chan mentioned
     
  20. Snowbun

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    Nobunaga no chef has a more optimistic approach to his ruthless acts.
     
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