Discussion Do Korean/Japanese/Chinese Fandoms have terms similar to Mary Sue?

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  1. vlue

    vlue Jaded Isekai-Reader

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    Do those three countries have the word with the same meaning as a mary sue?
     
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    They call them a "main character", or sometimes "protagonist".
     
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    white lotus? XD
     
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    Yamato Nadeshiko? Kinda? :hmm:
     
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    That's more like an ideal version of a woman in Japanese culture and that is not much like mary sue i think:hmm:
     
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    :hmm: True, but I was thinking more about the similarity in their origins... one, an idealized version of the author; the other, an idealized representative of women in JP culture. And both being epitomes of perfection, possessing an unrealistically long list of abilities/virtues.
     
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    Rey was a Mary sue could do everything perfectly for no real reason beyond because she is Rey. So one person already said it best the protagonist or mc are generally Mary Sue's its honestly a lazy writing style but oh well.
     
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    Hmmm, I can think of the words お利口さん and 潔癖ちゃん, which can take on a mocking, sarcastic connotation depending on the context for pure, perfect, goody-two shoes types. But the terms can be used to describe actual people too, so it's not strictly based in the literary/storytelling context like the term Mary Sue.

    Edit: There is also チートキャラ, for unfairly overpowered characters, but they don't necessarily have to be the main character.
     
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    玛丽苏?
     
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    Some people believe so, yes. But it's not something that explicitly happens. Just something that's sort of maybe or maybe not hinted at.
     
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    Except that that's not really what a Mary Sue is. Arguably though everyone seems to have their own opinion of what that is and that makes it an incredibly useless term.

    Yup; it's literally Mary Sue, except that this version's meaning is a bit different. It's also a much more useful term since people seem to actually agree on what it means.
     
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    A Mary Sue (Sometimes called a Gary Stu) is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character. Typically, this character is recognized as an author insert or wish fulfillment.

    In 1976, Menagerie's editors referred to the original story, writing:

    Mary Sue stories—the adventures of the youngest and smartest ever person to graduate from the academy and ever get a commission at such a tender age. Usually characterized by unprecedented skill in everything from art to zoology, including karate and arm-wrestling.

    What I got from wiki. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    The Chinese use phonetic pun with pig feet sounding similar to main character. More often pig character.
     
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    Yeah, that's a pretty bad definition.
     
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    The problem is that people call Mary Sue any competent character who isn't worthless trash until they get character development. Some people will say that Saitama from OPM is like this, which is nonsense. I assume it is because of Mary Sue concept that there is a lack of OP characters in western literature.
     
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