How did the Fallout universe got so high tech?

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  1. MutsuKata

    MutsuKata 『RO2's MG42 Operator』 『RS2's Loach Combat Pilot』

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    I forgot how it went but i have same opinion like the other. They went to nuclear technology since they are at nuclear war. I think if you need fallout lore you can search oxhorn video at youtube. He has some nice lore and gameplay of fallout
     
  2. FranckOA

    FranckOA Killer Klown From Outer Space

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    The problem is not mechanical but how could they create advanced AI and such with only the most basic electronic components available, especially seeing that they only had MS-Dos level Operating systems on their computers.
    Not something you could brute force with more energy.
     
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    Or maybe AI is simpler to make than we thought? The funny thing about technology is that there's never just one solution for a problem. We ourselves may be trying to write terabytes of code to create an AI when all we really need is a megabyte.

    Thought most of the AI in Fallout has no autonomy. The ones that do are special snowflakes after all.
     
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    Of course, 'cause somehow by pouring a lot of energy we can somehow make those metals not melt under all those excess heat..
     
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    Less pollution but a larger risk of getting radiation.
     
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    In the 80s there was already little to no danger as long as the correct procedures were kept. Its been 4 decades since then. I sincerely doubt that our systems evolved backwards.

    And in the offchance there were an unavoidable radiation risk, Im pretty sure that 100 people with cancer per facility throughout the decades would still beat 4 million cases of lung cancer each fcking year in China as a consequence of the air pollution.
     
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    FranckOA Killer Klown From Outer Space

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    Yeah, we made such a big progress in 30 years of procedures and security improvements that we went from Tchernobyl to Fukushima...
    So much safety :blobdog:
     
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    Im pretty sure I said 'correct procedure'. Aprende a leer betch.
     

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    FranckOA Killer Klown From Outer Space

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    Yeah and if everybody (especially the highter ups) was able to put long term consequences before short term profit the world would be a better place, unfortunatly it isn't the case because humans will act like humans...
    To bad we live in the real world, riddled with corruption and money hungry corner cutters, not a happy go lucky utopia were the good guys are here up top, to always do the right things...

    I think you should really put off the pink tinted glasses sometimes, beach. :blob_sunglasses:
    And by the way I live not far from Saclay's CEA, in France, so I hope potassium iodide pills are as effective as they supposed to be in case something goes very wrong...
     
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    You kinda missed the whole point but ok bud.
     
  11. FranckOA

    FranckOA Killer Klown From Outer Space

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    The point, for me is that it could had been prevented but wasn't so the final result is the same, and will probably be the same in 30 years or so...
    Murphy's law is always around waiting for the best/worst time to strike :blobspearpeek:
     
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  12. Robbini

    Robbini Logical? Illogical? Random? Or Just Unique?

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    Different tech tree, focusing more on more compact, high power power sources rather than more compact computing devices, different politics which would spur different developments, much less... company regulations & morals which would allow them to be more... testing etc.

    If anything, you should consider how the hell Pipboys are that much more advanced than anything else in that timeline

    Also, just because they didn't get the same tech when we did, doesn't mean they didn't get it at all. Here's an example of it
    2023
    • Earliest direct mention of a transistor is made.
    That still gives them 40 years until shit hits the fan to develop them way more, and we've only had at most 80ish , and they would've had a a lot more resources and less redtape to stop it
     
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    Unfortunately, the little pollution it does create lasts for thousands of years.:blobscream:
     
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    Cuz It Just Works~ :aww:

     
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    Ai chan Queen of Yuri, Devourer of Traps, Thrusted Witch

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    Not really, people often misunderstood about radioactives and tend to lump them all together. You have to first consider what kind of pollution we are talking about. Are we talking about alpha particles, beta particles or gamma particles? While it's true it lasts that long, it's not harmful for that long.

    Plutonium and Americium are often overhyped as major health risks, but they're not really so, since they mostly emit alpha particles and are only truly dangerous if you inhale them as microparticles or if its particles enter open wound. You can't really absorb them through water either, as water can only weakly carry them.

    The actinides from the Fukushima disaster was mostly Caesium-137 and Strontium-90, both of which had a half-life of 30 years. For it to drop below the level of actinides, it takes around 300-500 years. 1000 years is enough for it to drop to what is considered as virtually harmless. After that, you can even keep the radioactive waste in a glass cage and you'll be fine.

    But this is all lumped together with other fission products that release weak beta particles which can last as long as 200,000 years, but in reality, those are not really significant hazards. It is a problem if you go there and eat it, but if you just let it sit under a feet of the common soil, it's about as harmless as being bathed in sunlight. There's not that much of them to begin with.

    On the other hand, fossil fuels take millions of years to form and the effects of using them causes a lot more problems than nuclear fission. You can use up nuclear fuel with no effect to the environment, and safely store them underground where they will remain undisturbed. But using up fossil fuel brings a lot of problems as they're being used, as we have seen today. Global warming, acid rain, smog, respiratory issues, wastewater and aquifer contamination, and other stuff while nuclear fuel does none of these. You can even fall into a reactor pool and you'll be mostly fine, though you wouldn't volunteer to do so. Just don't drink the water if you happen to fall into them.
     
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    It ain't that different from plastic.
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    And it is even recyclable.
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    Unfortunately, you didn't say that you understand they have transistors and thus they kept basing their arguments on "Fallout has transistor" which Ai-chan doesn't deny. Unfortunately transistor are not semiconductors. It's electronic parts, but it is not semiconductor. Nothing they said in that topic proved any lore that Fallout has semiconductors other than, "They had transistors 70 years ago, surely they have semiconductors now."
     
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    vlue Jaded Isekai-Reader

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    yikes, sorry about that.
     
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  20. Ai chan

    Ai chan Queen of Yuri, Devourer of Traps, Thrusted Witch

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    Nah, it's fine. Thanks for trying to find out the answer. It's been making Ai-chan lose sleep.