Question Why some novel have racism?

Discussion in 'Novel General' started by npksq, Mar 27, 2020.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. palaraya

    palaraya Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2015
    Messages:
    1,041
    Likes Received:
    546
    Reading List:
    Link
    If the world has no other race, only one color, one gender, one mind then there will be no racism.
     
    Martialegg likes this.
  2. mio

    mio just me

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2015
    Messages:
    521
    Likes Received:
    432
    Reading List:
    Link
    one of my aunts is italian, one portuguese(though divorced from my uncle by now), one spanish, my niece married an moroccan man, my cousin is together with a woman of african descent...

    might not be as rare as you think...
     
    Martialegg likes this.
  3. Martialegg

    Martialegg [World's most powerful Egg] [HazyPrecise's Senpai]

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2017
    Messages:
    721
    Likes Received:
    2,170
    Reading List:
    Link
    If you want a simple answer: It's human nature. Haters gonna hate. Get a life.
    If you want an intermediate answer: Hate need to be released and racism is one of the most effective way to shift the blame in politics.
    If you want a potato answer: They're salty.
     
    MEGA SPARTA CHICKEN likes this.
  4. Martialegg

    Martialegg [World's most powerful Egg] [HazyPrecise's Senpai]

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2017
    Messages:
    721
    Likes Received:
    2,170
    Reading List:
    Link
    Yet, there will still be war. Because of limited resources and greed.
     
  5. Vilidious

    Vilidious Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2017
    Messages:
    699
    Likes Received:
    892
    Reading List:
    Link
    Well, JP entertainment ain't really making it easy for them to refute incest loving -part.
     
    ExcitableFoci likes this.
  6. raitei

    raitei ⟪Procyon lotor paronomasiaabsentii⟫

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2017
    Messages:
    678
    Likes Received:
    989
    Reading List:
    Link
    The whole first page already listed enough reason and answer for your question.

    Yes, racism is bad.
    No, we can't exactly eradicate it entirely.
     
  7. Ams

    Ams Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2016
    Messages:
    140
    Likes Received:
    107
    Reading List:
    Link
    Asia was The Old World. With the geographical vastness of the land, people will obviously develop unique cultures. These differences can lead to either assimilation or friction.
    Earlier Chinese Kingdoms especially those around the Yellow River basin had been pretty closed off when it comes to its neighbors, for security concerns( of course not trade). Chinese used to see themselves as the middle point of earth and rest were all 'barbarians'; the mentality which has stuck for quite a while now. Then there were the World Wars and their reasons.
    There is no one who doesn't judge others, be it on the basis of religion , gender, nationality, ethnicity etc.
    It isn't always due to past. People just want to find a justifiable reason to find a moral high-ground.

    The problem is people discriminate. People should evolve their brains a bit to become a better version of themselves. ( Maybe Clone themselves:blobrofl:, like in 'Living with Yourself' TV):blobrofl:
     
  8. NeurogamiPrime

    NeurogamiPrime Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2016
    Messages:
    565
    Likes Received:
    450
    Reading List:
    Link
    i see you have been reading god and devil world
     
  9. Cupcake Ninja

    Cupcake Ninja [Kind Sage][Lord Benevolence][ The Great Paragon]

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2015
    Messages:
    5,991
    Likes Received:
    8,159
    Reading List:
    Link
    Ignoring the one mind and gender thing, it still wouldnt work if there was only one race or bloodline. People think purebreds are good, but guess what? to keep em pure they breed them for centuries using the same gene pool and now they have SUCH a high risk for birth defects.

    HItler was wrong. I hate to say it, but he was.
    re-read, bro, dude said one mind. Obviously that means killing off everyone else until its just one person. Bet they'd still be racist tho
    Why should they? Incest if hot. Not that i wanna fuck my own sister, but i do like seeing others fuck theirs
     
  10. rhianirory

    rhianirory Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2016
    Messages:
    881
    Likes Received:
    1,025
    Reading List:
    Link
    everyone is a bit xenophobic but the Chinese take it to another level, and it's not just about other Asians. Westerners are all stereotyped in their novels. Europeans are all rich and decadent and Americans are either evil, greedy or stupid, but usually all of the above. black people are often singled out and are always thugs or mentally incompetent. hell, even sci-fi aliens are only good enough to be lowly vassals, if they're not Zerg.
    you either accept that it's going to be there and move on, or you don't read Chinese novels.
     
  11. ludagad

    ludagad Addicted to escapist novels

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2015
    Messages:
    3,937
    Likes Received:
    10,625
    Reading List:
    Link
    History has shaped their perception of the world. I'm not gonna delve into the communist ideology now, kind of a long talk, but that's mostly where the patriotism and brainwashing comes from. They hide and manipulate information that can damage the state's image, and control their own people. The indoctrination and the censors lead to a lot of the nationalism you see in novels lol.

    You can get a very extensive answer depending on how interested you are in history and politics. I haven't seen Chinese racism against Koreans so far in the novels I've read. They usually give S.Korea as example for idol culture and beautified women and men. Maybe they'll look down on the prettiness of the boys sometimes, saying that masculine is better, like their army bois. Japan is like their national villain, so I rarely see a novel where you don't get a Japanese villain/s arc.

    Anyway, they've seen some bad shit from other countries.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes and https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/arti...china-and-south-korea-fume-over-new-textbooks
    Also, https://www.hickmanmills.org/cms/li...e Immigrants and the California Gold Rush.htm (the Gold Rush and Chinese immigrants) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinophobia (read about the Opium war).

    They've been the victims of racism, but they can also be racists.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinocentrism
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_chauvinism
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_China
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_genocide_of_Uyghurs

    Once you delve into a country's history and politics, things start looking ugly. It's because human nature is the same everywhere and at any time. They can be both the victim and the aggressor and the best we can do is be decent individuals.
     
  12. Martialegg

    Martialegg [World's most powerful Egg] [HazyPrecise's Senpai]

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2017
    Messages:
    721
    Likes Received:
    2,170
    Reading List:
    Link
    Yeah, as a Chinese myself, I don't really mind the nationalism and patriotism, but the racism propaganda is really getting out of control.
    The younger generation luckily able to think more critically, but still a majority of them are blinded to an extreme level of racism. The hatred level is no joke.
     
    Jiggy, LollipoPReapeR and rhianirory like this.
  13. LollipoPReapeR

    LollipoPReapeR Frequent visitor of the Yellow Springs Resort

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2016
    Messages:
    586
    Likes Received:
    524
    Reading List:
    Link
    But thats just it though. Stories should be stories and not concern themselves with geopolitics. I don't want to read about indoctrinated chinese hatred especially in fantasy settings. Sure the Japanese were awful in the war. But I don't see the japs preaching hatred against the americans everywhere for wiping out two entire cities.

    The main character in OEM is even more ridiculous. He equates Japan to some random demon race (which are incest loving ugly savages with 2 heads etc). He literally hops up and down with rage not because this race is evil but because it reminds him of Japan. Its the constant reminders across the majority of literature in the over the top manner that irritates people. It's not even written well.

    Honestly I could rant about this for ages, but for me the problem is not the racism but the raging hypocrisy that it shows. The MC in these novels is more likely to be stabbed in the back then suffer from these 'enemies'. The funny thing is, if you ignore the physical descriptions the characters and mannerisms are almost always just clones of previous enemies so the racism is just shoehorned in. Whether its because the chinese computer police make sure of this, or because its in the mindset of every author I have no idea.
     
  14. Shtirliz

    Shtirliz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2018
    Messages:
    179
    Likes Received:
    170
    Reading List:
    Link
    Why not? Almost everyone is racist. Ask anyone how he feels about gypsies and if he would say ok, then either he don't know who gypsies are or he 99% lying.
     
  15. AnonymousWildAster

    AnonymousWildAster Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2019
    Messages:
    37
    Likes Received:
    69
    Reading List:
    Link
    +4
     
  16. tahzib1451

    tahzib1451 Title?is it food?

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2017
    Messages:
    2,922
    Likes Received:
    2,779
    Reading List:
    Link
    so what if there is racism?
    did it hurt your fee-fee?
    get used to it....racism is an integral part of human nature.....
     
    runsing likes this.
  17. Lazriser

    Lazriser Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2016
    Messages:
    8,258
    Likes Received:
    6,254
    Reading List:
    Link
    How long were you in social isolation? Since I assume your coming out from the mountain, means you haven't been in touch with the rest of the world? You made me curious about your lifestyle now.
     
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2020
  18. thisworldofmine1

    thisworldofmine1 Grandmaster of Danmei Cultivation

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2017
    Messages:
    428
    Likes Received:
    640
    Reading List:
    Link
    As a Korean, I don't hate Japanese people, but their government I do not like. They killed of the last of our Royal family and massacred and treated Koreans worse than the Holocaust. They killed a lot more people and did a lot more horrible things to the Chinese and Koreans. Other countries think the Holocaust is the worst thing but it's just because they don't care much about Asian history.
    Japan has also tried to claim sea water and islands from Korea forcefully and have taught their younger generation that it is actually theirs.
    They claim that the massacre never happened and that the sea and islands are theirs, they've never apologized either. And quite a number of people there have prejudice and harbor dislike to Koreans, although it's gotten better.
    So, can you understand now?
     
  19. moneng85

    moneng85 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2016
    Messages:
    275
    Likes Received:
    475
    Reading List:
    Link
    In a sentence, "Racism is bad m'kay?"
    you mean just like americans and nazi?
    americans and native indians?
    americans and russia?
     
  20. ArashiKitsune

    ArashiKitsune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2016
    Messages:
    108
    Likes Received:
    135
    Reading List:
    Link
    Unfortunately, hypocrisy seems to be almost inherent in human nature. There are those SJWs who preach against child pornography while being pedophiles themselves. There are NPCs who took over an industry then kicked out anyone who could actually do something from that industry telling them that if they don't like it to make their own and once they do the NPCs try to destroy it or if the industry that was taken over is failing would try to get in the newly created one. The Chinese people or rather the government hated the Japanese because of Nanking Massacre with 50,000 - 300,000 casualties when they themselves have done even worst to hundred thousands to millions of their own people (beating, rape, murder, slavery and forced organ harvesting). The west accusing China of censorship when they are also doing the same thing. Women who claim to be rape victims when they were the one who initiated it ruining people's lives or saying that they need special privileges just because they are women while preaching that woman can do whatever a male could. Those are just some of the few I could remember, pretty sure there are countless more that can be found with some internet searching.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.