Spoiler The Second Coming of Avarice / Gluttony

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  1. neolyn

    neolyn Well-Known Member

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    Yes he was gone at the time Seol came to paradise, that doesn't mean he hasn't met him after, and was his meat shield.
    Actually when you think about it it seems that's what happened, because there is no way Seol would have been his meat shield when The bastard was already Level 6 or 7.
     
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    where to get the mtl?
     
  3. BeardyRABBIT

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    Sung Sihyun is already dead? how? when?
     
  4. neolyn

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    not gone, dead gone.
    Gone as vanished.
    Nobody knows where he is.
    Actually I think he's with the parasite without yet being a parasite himself.
    we do know that in the first timeline he betrayed humanity and joined the parasites, that's why the white empresses ended up in a kinda block hole thingy,; He was also apparently the one attacking Teresa in the prologue got killed by Seol and mortally wounded him prompting Teresa to use the royal pact with the seven gods and sending Seol's memories to his past self.

    I'm extrapolating here, based on the different spoilers here and there. I'm missing a lot of happenings to concretly say " it happened like that".
    From what I gether at the time he was level 8 (so was Seol). He grew in level by joining the parasites. he may have bean the weakest in term of level between The white empress, him and Seo Yuhui before the two ladies split with him from their group.

    I can't wait for the translation to get to the point where he gets trash for good. Or for a someone reading korean to spoil in details the event.
     
  5. kent199

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    i still don't get why people who dies in Paradise commit suicide. It's like telling that when people gets amnesia the only course is suicide
     
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  6. Liron

    Liron Well-Known (Failed) Prophet

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    He didn’t kill Teresa. In the prologue both Teresa and Jihu were fucked, and in Jihu’s vision of Yun Seohui he says he killed Sung Shihyun with his own hands, so he couldn’t be the one to cause that in the prologue. It was probably the Parasite Commanders or maybe even the Queen herself.
     
  7. Omexkyu

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    can you tell me Seol Jihu stats by the end of the novel please and his class names
    i heard that he ended up lv 9 and he could even reach lv 10 but he didnt want to .
     
  8. neolyn

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    it could have been him since he was made a parasite commander ...
     
  9. Liron

    Liron Well-Known (Failed) Prophet

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    He was dead. DEAD. Unless the Parasite Queen gave herself the trouble to revive him afterwards (and we have no hints for that), it 100% wasn’t him. As far as I know he could have been the Parasite Commander Jihu killed with the help of a whole army in previous timeline. But him being a PC in no way points to him being the one that killed Teresa and Jihu in the prologue. Undying Diligence is dead and PQ didn’t revive him so far, I can’t see how the guy wouldn’t be dead by the events of the prologue.
     
  10. Mrpirinha

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    Here his stats by the end of the novel. Mtl, but I edited a little Bit

    Information
    -Summon year, month, day: March 16, 2017
    -Mark grade: Gold
    -Gender · Age: Male · 27
    -Height and weight: 180.5cm and 75.8kg
    -Status: Healthy
    -Occupation: LV 9 Sinchang
    -Nationality: Korea (Area 1)
    -Group: Valhalla
    -Alias: Adversary , Representative of Valhalla , Federation Savior , The Great Kid , The Apostle of Gluttony, Haramark’s War Hero, White Lee, Training Masochist, Chief (秀 席), naughty boy, ilseong (一 星), Gina and Dad, poke-go-go , paradise Flower

    Traits
    Temperament
    Self-command (Suppresses emotions, greed, and impulses with the rational will)
    superintendents (to overcome pain, suffering, and exceedingly unthinkable to ordinary people)
    victory (the desire and desire to win)

    Aptitude
    Effort (Endeavors with both body and mind to achieve a goal)
    Myeongkyung Index (quiet and clean mind like bright and stationary mirrors)
    unconsciousness (extreme concentration that does not distract you when you are immersed in one task)

    physical level
    Strength Transcendence
    Endurance Transcendence
    Agility Transcendence
    Stamina Transcendence
    Mana Entry (入神)
    Luck High (Low)
    Remaining Ability Points 4

    Abilities

    Power (Divine power maybe?)

    -Volume 眷屬 (out of grade): 1. Flonet (50%) 2. Rose L (50%)
    -Shinsalshin (other than grade)
    -Tamsik 貪食 (other than grade)

    Innate Abilities
    Future Gauging Nine Eyes (Grade Unknown)

    Class Abilities

    -Awakening Skill 覺 歷 技術: Berserk (Transcendence)
    -Basic creation: conclusion (entrance), education (transcendence), and pretense (transcendence)
    -Nemesis: A window of curse that conveys misfortune (highest level)
    -Nemesis: A window of vengeance (the highest grade)
    -Neunggongdo-do 凌 空虛 道 (Transcendence)
    -Magical Spear: Geomgangseon Bunch (Transcendence)
    -Vision extreme 秘傳 意: Swordsman Merchant 劍氣 傷人 (transcendence)
    -Explosion Explosion (transcendence)
    -Vision extreme 秘傳 意: Seismic strength 劍氣 成鋼 (the highest grade)
    -Explosion (the highest grade)
    -Vision extreme 極 意: Difficulty 亂 刀-(transcendence)
    -Trinity monogram (other than grade): Shinchanghapil (other than grade), Igi-changchang (other than grade), intangible window without form (other than grade), Shim Chang-Shim (non-grade), Non-polarity-free (non-grade), Manyu-Guijong 萬 流 歸 宗 (non-grade)
    -Lee Hyung-hwan (移 transcendence)
    -Jung Shim Chung-Shim (Transcendence)

    Other Abilities
    -Reinforcement circuit (transcendence)
    -Kongondae Age 乾坤 大 挪移 (Transcendence)
    -Branch office (transcendence)
    -Hell Samcheondan 地 天 獄 (transcendence)
    -Intuition 直觀 (transcendence)
    -Thunderstorm (highest grade)
    -Supernova explosion 新星 星 (transcendence)
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    Would be very interesting, especially with the new tutorial
     
  12. Liron

    Liron Well-Known (Failed) Prophet

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    Is Claire not part of the harem?
     
  14. Dark

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    Can anyone answer this?
     
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    Nope , but she will become the next executor of avarice since the current one will die
     
  16. Koslov

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    But Greed oversees the magicians, and Claire is more of an assassin-ish acrobatic kind of class? Are you sure you’re not thinking about Maria? Granted, she’s following the Luxuria route.
     
  17. Liron

    Liron Well-Known (Failed) Prophet

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    Maria isnt even a High Ranker, how could she be the next Executor?
     
  18. Koslov

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    Hence why this is the spoilers thread and not a speculations thread. I’m not speculating, I’m asking for clarification.
     
  19. utrabrite

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    Gather round my brothers for I've just finished reading the raw chapters and think it'd be nice to share some of the things I've learned along with my thoughts.

    Now, what I've noticed is a majority of people are most interested in who Seol will end up with. It's no small secret that it will be a harem ending, and the members of the harem are already known. Therefore, since the destination is already known we can then look forward to experiencing and enjoying the journey to get there, right? Wrong.

    This series should not have been a harem. Mind you I say this begrudgingly, because admittedly I did want my favorite girls to end up with Seol. But the problem lies in having an mc that is not the least bit interested in forming a harem. Towards the end of the series, after the war is over and Seol has retired as Valhalla's representative, the focus becomes more about the relationships he has with the various characters. It's here where Seol finds out that fate has decided that no matter how much he doesn't want a harem it won't let him. Rather than build on moments shared between characters in the past, the story decides to force our mc into a harem he doesn't want. Lol why would the author even attempt something if he's just gonna half ass it? It's like a chef that has all the right ingredients but ends up making a shit dish.

    Anyways, the confirmed harem is: Seo Yu-Hee, Phi Sora, Teresa, Yoo Seonhwa, Kim Hana, Charlotte, Eun Yuri and Chohong

    Despite not being my favorite girl, I would've accepted it if she were the only one he'd ended up with. She is the most satisfying "path" if you want to call it. She liked him way before he even knew about her (she also sent herself to the past from the future).

    Over the course of the series he comes to like her and they both let their feelings be known well before the end of the series. They later take a trip to Hawaii and end up having sex in an organic manner (by this I mean he wasn't manipulated or forced. It was something he wanted). As a result of being an Executor, and therefore being influenced by Luxuria, she can get aroused by mere physical contact and is a nymphomaniac that has sex with him so many times Seol comes became to paradise emaciated. She becomes his girlfriend, the first member of his harem, and later gives birth to a daughter

    Another acceptable member. She obviously had feelings for him in the series but never acted upon them since Seol showed no interest.

    One night both get drunk and a little teasing by Seol and some verbal back-and-forth leads to them having sex. Seol starts panicking since he just cheated on SYH and leaves. He eventually comes back for her when he finds out that his future self also just abandons her and that she had to find out she was pregnant by herself. He moves her in with him and decides to take care of her and his child. She becomes the second member and gives birth to a son. Harem wise, at this point it's not too bad.

    Here's where it goes to shit. Now Teresa has always wanted to bang him. She tried to make several advances to him only to be turned down. Once again the prevailing theme is that HE WAS NOT INTERESTED. But hey, fate and all that, am I right?

    After finding out from Phi Sora that he impregnated her after getting drunk, she decides to use his weakness for alcohol against him. By the end of the series everyone has a shit ton of wishes after the war and Teresa uses a wish to be able to go to earth. She convinces Seol to have a drink with her at a restaurant and while he's away in the bathroom she slips some powder into his drink. Yeah, she hits him with that Bill Cosby date rape. When Seol comes to his senses he's lying on a bed without his pants. Still paralyzed from the drug, he watches on in horror as Teresa straddles him and proceeds to rape him. That's their last interaction that we read of, but despite getting raped by her she ends up becoming one of his wives lol

    Perhaps my least favorite girl in the series. She brainwashed and groomed Seol from a young age to be the perfect husband but ends up abandoning him. She's extremely manipulative and this is never more apparent than in the last couple of chapters.

    Seol meets up with her to have a sort of final goodbye. He wishes her the best of luck in her romantic endeavors and she in turn tells him not to drink anymore so he doesn't hurt SYH again. Seol goes to his parents house... and gets drunk AGAIN. A sober YSH escorts a drunken Seol under the pretense of taking him home. He wakes up in the morning to find himself in bed and sees YSH getting dressed.
    Lol I was ready to give up at this point

    One of my favorite girls. She's manipulative but has always been loyal to him. She was his right hand that helped him build Valhalla to what it became.

    Basically after defeating this foreign god that comes to Paradise long after the Parasite Queen's death, Seol is forced out of retirement in order to save the day once more. At the end of it all he's so OP that even Gula and the other gods of Paradise treat him with the upmost respect and beg him to become the ruling god of Paradise. Kim Hana laments the fact that despite trying to be a good representative after Seol's departure she ultimately failed seeing as they still needed his help. Seol reassures her and tells her to stay by his side forever or something like that. Considering all the perverted interactions between them in the past, that's such a lame why to confirm her membership into the harem. She eventually goes on to give birth to a child named Ji-Na (portmanteau of Jihu and Hana)

    Chohong, Eun Yuri (another favorite of mine) and Charlotte get done dirty by the author lol. If you're a fan don't get your hopes up. No sex or proposal scenes. They just show up in the end with the other wives holding their kids as they greet Jihu's parents in front of the Valhalla building when his parents come to Paradise


    Kinda ranty but the tl;dr is it's a harem that didn't need to be one. Seol has his faults but seeing him grow (and unfortunately at times regress) as he eventually becomes strong enough to not only face the challenges in his personal life back on earth but those in Paradise was enjoyable to read. The harem, though, was unnecessary and just lazily done. If you don't mind him getting raped and being forced by fate as plot devices to establish a harem then you might like it. Well at least this isn't Memorize where the mc has 16 wives...

    Here's a little spoiler excerpt from a random chapter. Enjoy
    ...... Seo Yu-hee quietly talks, holding her hands together.

    "If you want my natural heart, not the inevitable, artificial feeling that comes from being an apostle... I would be so happy if I just held your hand."

    Then she smiled at Seol Ji-hoo.

    "No, I was happy. Really."

    Her assuming tone changed to one of conviction

    In other words, it means that she has already experienced it.

    Seol Ji-hoo was staring blankly at Seo Yu-hee.

    It's a simple story.

    For those I dislike I wouldn't even want to look at them, but for those I like I'd get excited just from holding their hands.

    That's...

    "You're not saying that you don't understand what I mean after all I've just told you?"

    Seo Yu-hee giggled, shedding her eyes.

    Seol Ji-hoo's face turned red.

    "Uh... after this, there's one thing I thought I should do as soon as I get back."

    After a brief hiatus, he coughed and opened his mouth.

    "Recruitment."

    "Recruitment?"

    "Yes, actually, I've got someone who's been very helpful in making sure this went smoothly."

    "...Really?"

    Seo Yu-hee's eyes were round at a very unexpected remark and laughed.

    A natural change of topic

    "Yes, I would have been stuck without their devoted help."

    "I see."

    "The problem is that they put themselves at risk by using their own life as collateral."

    "...huh?"

    But Seo Yu-hee soon realized that her idea was an illusion.

    Seol did not evade answering, nor did he change the subject.

    "So I decided to recruit him. I'm going to recruit him, get him on Valhalla's main team, and put him next to me."

    "What are you gonna do when you have them next to you?"

    Seo Yu-hee was leaning her upper body unconsciously.

    "Stop them from doing something like this again."

    "You're just gonna stop them?"

    "No, and there are a lot of people looking for them, so... I'll protect them"

    "And?"

    "Uh......."

    At the persistent questioning, Seol smacked his lips.
    Then he opened his mouth quietly.

    "And if they want...."

    "If they want?"

    "I can make them ramen whenever they want for the rest of their life..."

    Seo Yu-hee's mouth slowly opened.
    Her embarrassed expression was obvious...
     
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    Well that is desappointing.
    I'm all in for Seo Yuhui (3rd fav) and Kim Hana ( 2nd ) being his wives. Phi Sora too even though I don't like her much, after all she went through and her interactions with Seol, I think she kinda deserve to be one.

    For Teresa it's another matter, I like her a lot, I hate how she acted. I mean, ok we already saw that she stole a few hundred kisses while he was in coma after defeating the first army commander, but to go as far as drug rape ? That's sick, and she became one of his wives?
    There is so much shit about men doing that, but women doing it is ok ?
    She deserved to be treated better and have a proper character development. We, as reader, deserved better too.. not a "rape is ok" scene.

    His ex-, what a bitch, I could feel sorry for her at the start of the story, but the more I learned about her the more I came to hate her.
    After what she did ( Brainwashed and rape him to name a few) she should be in jail or dead but not one of his wives.

    Cho-hong, Charlotte and Eun Yuri I dont give a shit. cho hong became irrelevant a long time ago, Charlotte is just a spoiled kid even though she has her good moments, and the last one I don't like her one bit. I think she's a sub- Kim Hana.

    Glad to see that Yun Seora is not one of the wives, I mean, we barely see her and went from being a bitch to being just a pathetic excuse of a woman...

    What pisses me of the most is Claire. She deserves as much as Yuhui or Hana to be his wife, if not more. After all the inter action they have together... even Cinzia says that's unusal for Claire to act the way she does with Seol.

    It makes me really angry to know she's not in but c**t like his ex IS.

    What really interest me is the development of his relationship with his family. No one spoils about it.
    Though if I were Jihu i would not be very fond of his mother, she helped brainwash him after all .
     
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