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An extremely light chapter, the most important thing is that the first civil war of Ourbane began. in other respects, he never stops thanking me that basically all the politics and bureaucracy of the city and part of the empire is in the hands of 3 people. and I don't know whether to be happy or sad that the war was delayed because Aradia was not hurt.

 

It’s light but it mentions some important things like how really only the people that witnessed Bellwood’s advent are gung-ho about the change in ruling. All the noble and people from other cities are much more wary. The fact that Heinz is back in Amid and in a very high position has been enough to sour the populace of the kingdom’s view of him. After all the enemy country is still an enemy country. Which is good from Vidal’s point of view.

 

"Before Graduation"

Merolis will soon be free. FREE!

Uh, anyway, we start with Orbaume's response to the founding of the [Amid Holy Kingdom]. Some among the Vida races and whatnot think their adoption of Alda Harmony means there's reason for the two countries to make peace with each other. And given a lot of powerful Alda believers are disappearing from Orbaume and dropping the country's overall military strength, there may be some desire for that among the nobility too. However at the end of the day there's just too much bad blood for that to actually happen. Amid and Orbaume have been enemies since Orbaume's founding. Amid just a few years ago occupied part of their lands. It doesn't matter what they call themselves or what religion they adopt, they're still the enemy who fought with and killed their countrymen and peace just isn't possible. Of course in a situation where a mutual enemy appeared and threatened the entire world, and a hero chosen by god rose and called for Amid and Orbaume to unite against this "great evil", they might have buried the hatchet. But since Van's plan to have a place in human society and not make an enemy of the entire world if he can help it has allied him with Orbaume, Alda's original plan to basically do that isn't going to happen. No, instead the Five-Colored Blades have basically become pariahs in most of Orbaume for joining hands with Orbaume's only enemy.

Though Duke Fazon of course doesn't change their stance at all, still calling Heinz a hero sent by Alda himself and remaining firmly anti-Vidal, despite most of the other dukes expecting a position change in response to their hero joining Orbaume's long-standing enemy, Amid. It seems he's more a Alda fanatic now than a ruler of his people. (Twisted and evil...) The [Storm of Tyranny] meanwhile hasn't seen any major opposition to Fazon within the duchy either despite this, either due to Fazon eliminating people, Heinz leading large portions of the dukedom over the last 10 years with [Holy Guider] (by the way, getting a little worried about [Holy Guidance] here, given Eileek and Duke Fazon's shared religious fanaticism to the exclusion of the actual people they're supposed to be leading), or again people just leaving the territory long before this point due to Fazon's bungling of his duties to "focus" entirely on carrying out Alda's will. The other dukedom's are thus starting to seriously consider armed intervention, given the dangers of Fazon allying with Amid.
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On the Vidal side of things, a main body type demon king avatar Van is having his own meeting regarding Amid's movements. Van thinks Amid going to a holy kingdom and switching to Alda harmony is an all around plus for them. The Legston brothers however are pretty skeptical of how long any of this will last. While those in the capital who saw Heinz summon Bellwood seem to largely be onboard now, there's still wide scale dissatisfaction and fear in the various provinces and vassal nations outside of it. They give this entire thing 5 to 10 years before the holy kingdom collapses. Van counters that that's a plus for them too. Of course Van is also pleased by the fact a number of the Vida races will be given protections under Amid's law and the chance of thousands upon thousands of people being murdered or enslaved has now gone down considerably. And Schneider and Van have already been working themselves to evacuate large portions of the rank-based "monster" Vida races like Ghouls out of Amid, so this shift by Amid doesn't affect Vidal's policies and plans at all on that end. But hey, one of their only remaining major enemies will destroy itself in 10 years even if they don't do a thing? How is that not also a positive for Vidal as a nation? Duke Jahan, who Van has asked to attend this meeting to provide a secondary opinion on various matters, also thinks Heinz is doing very little for Amid in actuality. After all, Heinz likely has very little real power in this situation, with Alda and Eileek being the real drivers of the various policies here. If Heinz had several decades, he could probably guide enough people in the entire Amid empire like he did in the far smaller Fazon duchy to hold real power. But as is, he's more of a figurehead that has so far only appealed to a very small portion of Amid's population.

Anyway, Van decides they'll take a wait and see approach. While Alda may not care if only 3000 people remain, like after the war with Guduranis, as long as he can defeat Van, Van very much cares about what happens to the people around him and the country he now calls home. After all, defeating Heinz and Alda is just a precondition to being free to pursue hapiness for Van, it is not the happiness itself. Thus it isn't particularly beneficial for Van to attack Amid or Fazon first and endanger his potential diplomatic alliances just for the sake of taking care of everything as soon as possible... though Van also admits to himself if Heinz had actually hurt Aradia in the last chapter he might be personally invading the Amid capital right now. Speaking of Aradia, they've done some more testing of her mystic eye. It seems the effective viewing range is about 10 km, and the trigger condition is the moon has to be visible, even faintly, from the location she wishes to view. It also doesn't give her other special sight abilities like x-ray vision or infrared of some kind, so cloud cover and other obstructions will make her unable to view what's going on on the ground.

Also yes, Van is going to finally graduate from the adventurer academy this month, with Merolis seemingly setting up a a special graduation ceremony for this month just to get him to finally leave. Otherwise she would have had to wait another 6 months for the regular graduation and she can't take it anymore!
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Finally, Van also takes the [Guidance Master] job. It grants [Attribute Value Enhancement: Guidance], a [Guidance Master] skill, and generally boost all enhancement type skills. This once again causes major bone and muscle pain throughout Van's body as his attribute values once again make a big jump from like two dozen boosting skills going up. Van even starts bleeding from his eyes and mouth... only for him to go "whoops" and all the blood to get sucked right back into his body. Thanks [Bloodrule]! The job of course maxes out given Van's extensive experience with [Guider] jobs and activities, so Van takes this opportunity to take the [Fallen Warrior] job as well. Interestingly, it doesn't provide any skill boost out of the gate, so Van figures he'll look forward to seeing what it does as he levels it up. Besides, the real important part here is that there's still no [Neo Vandalieu] or [High Vandalieu] jobs showing up.

Luciano also thinks [Guidance Master] probably requires being a leader of other [Guiders], so thanks Zadiris, Kanako and Miriam! Though he figures since Bellwood never got the job (seeing as Van couldn't have if Bellwood did) despite being the leader among Nineroad, Pharmaun and himself, there's probably other conditions, like taking multiple [Guider] jobs. Which is something, unless you have a composite soul like Van, probably nearly impossible to do.

 

Well, with that crossover, we would finally know what talent was it that makoto abandoned, the skills(most likely includes endless sexual stamina), and stats he had

 

What chapter does Van meet Miriam

 

Chapter 261: http://ncode.syosetu.com/n1745ct/321/

 

Sooo van could fight with gura before, the demonking who heinz could do nothing against, and now he got another power-up powerful enought to break his body,and one that also increase the power of his subordinates ?
I figured heinz's "fight" against van would be a joke, but now will he even be able to approach van?

 

Van has gotten 2 major powerups since he defeated guduranis. first was shortly after the gudu fight when he got the job with his own name-

・ Vitality: 1,052,703+ (105,270) (227,529UP!)
・ Magic: 98,419,574,240+ (98,419,574,240) (159,554,481,826UP!)
・ Power: 591,889+ (44,391) (525,828 UP!)
・ Agility: 431,000+ (32,325) (358,822UP!)
・ Physical strength: 549,957+ (41,246) (472,970 UP!)
・ Intelligence: 616,272+ (46,220) (512,391UP!)

then now-

・ Vitality: 1,284,686+ (385,105) (279,830 UP!)
・ Magic: 107,376,501,237+ (107,376,501,237) (17,913,853,994UP!)
・ Power: 740,388+ (74,038) (177,146UP!)
・ Agility: 608,913+ (60,891) (206,479UP!)
・ Physical strength: 688,197+ (68,819) (166.813UP!)
・ Intelligence: 821,897+ (35,189) (241,594UP!)

This new powerup seems to be smaller than before (atleast when it comes to stats). And just to be clear, the first stats listed here are from after he fought gudu, not during, his growth from job changes during the fight was much smaller.

Edit: This was Van's stats when Heinz last saw him, everything but vitality is like 5x smaller:
・ Vitality: 954,115+ (76,329) (37,112 UP!)
・ Magic: 18,642,333,327+ (18,642,333,327) (4,954,571,612UP!)
・ Power: 105,193+ (5,259) (17,854UP!)
・ Agility: 99,527+ (4,976) (18,871UP!)
・ Physical strength: 112,603+ (5,630) (20,145UP!)
・ Intelligence: 142,954+ (7,147) (24,216UP!)

 

Wait. I am a little confused regarding van's job changes... Soul Fighter was the 48°, Vandalieu 49°, True Demon King 50°, Yin Guider 51°, "Change/Revolution" Guider 52°, Spirit Guider 53°, Guidance Master 54°, Fallen Warrior 55° (current job). Is it like this?

To be able to acquire multiple guider jobs... Taking into count we don't know the minimum number of guider jobs to undertake, would be extremally impossible for anyone else.

If guiding other Guider is a condition, Kanako, Zadiris and Miriam are the only ones in history with a non 0% chance to do it. Each one of them seens like guiding each other. (Bellwood had no brain to acquire another guider job, not even Holy Guider like Heinz)

Kanako and Zadiris both possess long life spans and aren't bounded by a job curse like Van, anyone aside from Van are capable of unlocking any past guider job.

Kanako with her Venus cheat can quickly teach anything she knows to another party, she is clever, knows how to organize and manage large amounts of people... She could be a nice ruler herself.

If it was of Kanako interest she could develop herself over time while enganging in other activities and acquire other guider jobs like United Guider, Holy Guider, Saint Guider (new one, i suppose), princess guider etc...

Zadiris has now over 200 years of youth to enjoy. She, as someone who can do alchemy and teaching magic and other similar things, might get a Sage guider job, by leading ghouls, a Ghoul Guider job, taking lead into politics and whatlike or whatever is necessery for, United Guider, by getting married and tecnicaly not a princess anymore, queen/royal guider, as magical girls are kinda recognized as saints of Vida, holy or saint guider are possibilities.

Last but not least, Miriam. As she is cursed by Van to get more guider jobs a hero guider and sort of a magical girl herself, she is guiding and leading many heroes, someone who may get a guider job might pop out from whitin her guided ones - be it an adventurer, hero candidate, mage, knights, mercenaries, etc. - .

Miriam is also a commander, her curse lucky for get a lot of reconization for whatever she does or says might make her known as a Great, Heroic Commander and unlock a Commander Guider job, if she began to be asked about magical girls and answer people doubts she might unlock princess guider too;

Miriam is someone who regards herself as "normal" and by teaching things like even if she or someone is A/S rank she is also a person, a "normal human being". And for those who have an inferiority complex because they aren't special she can preach that "normal" is good and not something to be ashamed of, even her appearence isn't great either and just look like a normal (adventurer) girl from outside.

Common people would take her words entusiasticaly too far and make her being seeing greater than before, resulting in her acquiring a "Common/Normal Guider" job

While Miriam life span may be a disavantage, her lucky can make up for it

Finally Fazon... The crazy guy likely assasinated anyone opposing him whitin his duchy's nobles, diabolic clever move. But his isolationism and Hostility towards Vidal Empire are incovenient for all other 11 duches. Even more so him joinning Amid side a high possibility since Heinz is there.

Orbaum planning a military intervation there is good. While they are worried that a bunch of strong people like adventurers, knights (like one of Jahan's seven's mountain generals/Knights) are missing and dropping their military strenght, they people, both common ones as well as soldier/adventurers/knights/mages/mercenaries are unknowly getting the benefits of not only one but 4 guidances (Van+Kanako+Zadiris+Miriam).

There will be people acquiring Vandalieu divine protection as well as Vida Faction DPs too as Vida faith is spreading and people are converting themselves fully and praying, for example, to Tristan god of seas, Gareth and Xerxs gods of warriors and battle flags, Botin's released subordinate gods, etc.

For the upcoming civil war, since it is a matter of Orbaum it is possible that it will be suggested for Van to not step on it himself, however, IF that being the case, Orbaum can ask for adventurers and mercenaries... Explorers of Vidal Empire to join their army ranks temporary.

An army composed not only of Orbaum humans, but also mercenaires and adventurers of Vidal... Including Vida new race and undead to ravege any hero opposing there with Gufadgarn moving behind the scenes and Van hidden "just in case" Heinz or someone really strong does appear doens't sound bad.

Well, If Orbaum doens't mind appearences so much as to say "this civil war is an internal affair, there is no need for you (Van) to take part in it" they can simple make a excuse, accuse Farzon for going crazy, Ban Fazon Duchy from Orbaum Kingdoom membership and conquer it in a alliance with Vidal Empire and the rest we know, sharing the pieces of cake, changing laws, lowering taxes, guidance tour and so on... Orbaum and Van can ask and pay for those adventurers Roarimg Swords and non-hostility supporters left to keep taking care of Selen in Fazon Duche away from Van.

 

By the way, how much of a fuss would it be if Pharmaun were to send a Divine Message for all his priests, including Amid Empire... Amid Holy Country stating "Rejoice! The God of Fire and Destruction, Zantark, has recovered his sanity and is back to us! Send prayers for him too!"?

Different from Peria and Botin priests, this divine message would very likely get wide spread even in Amid and until Eilique try to counter it millions people would began to prayer to Zantark.

Both Alda and Eilique would have trouble in dealing with it as arresting Pharmaun priests would be the same as arresting their priests and taking the time to explain that pharmaun has left Alda and why he did it would still be a religious blow for him as one of his champions has changed sides.

Many people would still pray to Pharmaun even if Alda admonish him in Amid, keep managing the Fire Atributte would pose 'Gold no problem... He may politely ask any remaining god/person who has yet to hit him 100X to wait until Alda is defeated though.

In Orbaum, however, after the confusion regarding which "side" Pharmaun is, Pharmaun can send divine message he is back to Zantark's side (which is sided with Vida) in state that he does recognize ALL Vida's races and even the Demon King Slayer's Country and the Savior's Archievements. It might take more of a effect if it is done in prelude to either Civil War in Farzon or VS Amid Holy Country War.

As for the poor Heinz... I can only imagine Elique have him run around Amids main cities Making a show of descending Bellwood almost every day and make a speech like "half of vida races certainly aren't evil and... Another half they must be seeing as evil until Van is sealed, I will make sure to ask alda not to persecute and accept them later and... Selen absolutely isn't evil, ok?" - [Elique] (-where the f*ck is that eerie giant eye in the sky when we need it?!).

 

Change Guider and Spirit Guider are the same thing. Change Guider was re-translated as spirit guider.

 

Perhaps the most terrifying thing is not the stats, it's that with increased magic abilities and increased intelligence, Van will be able to use his magic much more efficiently, what would happen if Van purged to use each magic point normally instead of the wasteful way. usual

 

Do we know Heinz’s stats? At least after he gets Bellwood.

 

Unfortunately we don't. Only Edgar status after the Trial Dungeon has appeared. Edgar had, If I am not mistaken, undergone 18 or 19 job changes, most likely 18. Heinz only got bellwood DP after clearing the trial dungeon so... one job change more than Edgar, two at best.

 

Probably not that good if he needs Bellwood and his entire party(less Edgar) just to beat Big G rank 13 Death Spirit the same kind of Death Spirit that Van and Co picking like a fruit.

 

....
Tsk!

 

So that makes me wonder, what will Alda do? As you say Heinz no longer has many useful cards to say, and Densuke's technique is usually to have cards up his sleeve instead of powers up, and the only one who has to do something really would be our second or third god of light and the least favorite law. maybe that new pope has something to show us how to function as an avatar, which would be ironic, because the pope and Van are very similar, and if Alda thinks the same as the pope, it would mean that he thinks similar to Van

 

Heinz has one thing he can do and that’s his fused light and life magic. Even that won’t be able to make up the stat difference. He also can’t hold Bellwood for too long. This is extra bad for him since that means he can’t waste time by summoning Bellwood before the fight. Summoning him during the fight puts him at risk of being destroyed mid transition by Van. Alda’s gotta know his chances keep decreasing right?

 

Bellwood Sword upgraded with Nemesis Bell function would be problematic if it hits Van.

There is a small possibility of secretly going back to Alda Dungeon to do some training, gaining XP, fighting great gods level opponent whithout dying would be good for them, especialy Heinz who now has 2 DP.

Alda Strategy includes reducing the world population back to 3000, while Van does care about people and is focusing into guiding and deepening his relationships with people to the best possible.

Multiple wars are to be expected with Heinz always retreating at the expense of someone else or another god.

Alda Faction will be steadly get chiped away and rebuild in whatever form for the next batle while Van is taking the proper time to guide and manage the conquered territory. Mirg Nation is likely the first of Amid territory to fall.

Well, thats about it. Not only Alda will stubornly keep fighting until the bitter end, he thinks things would be similar to Guduranis war with Heinz accumulating enough strenght in the end to win, someone is forgeting that the "enemy" can make job changes at a rapid pace and doesn't know who already is over 5 times stronger.

 

Maybe van will acquire a job or skill that enables him to negate the effects of bellwoods sword.