Spoiler Remarried Empress

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  1. Bobaaaa

    Bobaaaa Well-Known Member

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    Trashta deserves a much more painful death! Sorry but I would beat her up soo bad ‍♀️
    I mean how lame is her death ? I can’t be the only one who hates the fact that she
    only died by poison
     
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    theilikepie Well-Known Member

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    Pls stop reading CN novels
     
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    Sorry, but it was just my opinion (could be cruel idk) but I just hate her ‍♀️ And I can’t understand these people who defend her with the excuse that she had a bad past. I know she has a Trauma with her first baby and I do kinda feel bad for her. But that’s not a excuse to be a bitch and manipulating others. She could have just lived as a concubine and have a peaceful life without disturbing navier but noo she wanted more bc she was greedy and envious! And instead of sending people to kill naviers parents, why didn’t she send people to kill her ex-lovers father ? I don’t remember anymore but didn’t he blackmailed her ? And I hate how she thinks she’s the real empress but didn’t do anything for the empire (didn’t she donate money to the people but it was actually naviers money ?). Ah and why was she even trying to humiliate sovieshu at the trial ? Shouldn’t she be more grateful ? I know he’s shit like her but just bc of him she could even live as a concubine and then empress ? And in the end she didn’t even admit her mistakes?? Her past doesnt give her the right to these things ! And I really wonder how could a slave be this greedy ? I would actually say she was a misfortune to the whole empire and sovieshu brought her in. And how stupid was sovieshu? He really believed everything she said just bc she was pitiful and pretty ? What’s with navier ? He literally knew her like his whole damn life but still believed rashta?? How could a emperor be this stupid ? And didn’t he always saw how his mother was bc of the concubines ?? So why is he doing this to navier? Rashta and sovishu deserves a slap in the face !
    (am I too cruel :hmm:? And I actually didn’t read the whole novel so I could be wrong,I’m sorry :blobunsure: I just read all the spoilers here :blobsweat:so please correct me if I’m wrong and my thoughts of rashta and sovieshu, I would really appreciate it :blobmelt:)ah and I’m sorry if my English is wrong.
     
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    Dont get me wrong. Her death was deserved, it's the scary glee people have too see characters get tortured and be in pain.

    It's like these torture porn CN novels have normalized brutal deaths and torture that peole expect every villian to be drawn and quartered.

    Idk maybe I'm reading into it too much.Or maybe I'm being too sensitive. But still, too many people want to see reneactions of saw in every single novel.
     
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    TuranTHESuperstar Well-Known Member

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    I know what you are saying. She got what she deserved. And within law too. She is going down the history as a despicable, inhuman, lustful and incompetent seductress who caused the downfall of a royal lineage. Whenever anyone would remember her, her name would accompany with curse word or it may itself turn into a curse word. That is enough of a punishment for anyone. Being hated all the way to nth generation. It was enough.
    I don't get what other punishment anyone expect for her. Do they want her to be sent in red light district? Do they want her to be gang raped? Do they want her to be burned on the stack? Are these people human? Belive me, all her crimes together doesn't calls for that kind of punishments. The worst she could get is being guillotined. Even that is extreme for a former empress unless she is the reason for a rebellion.
     
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  6. Marinette

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    For readers. I don't really think anyone search for a saw-like torture. Mostly people will wish for banishment and heavy humiliation but not gore.

    I never read any reader wanting gore for the character that they hate. So I don't really agree with that statement. Normally in manga and novel alike, from reviews and comment, I never found people asking or wishing all those hideous act to happen to the villain. It's often: "I want punishment" but generally they don't add gore stuff.

    the majority of people are conscious enough that that's just inhuman. I mean, they are aware it's fiction but that doesn't make them ask for massacre or bloody torture. I mean so far, I haven't read anyone intentionally saying weird stuff and inhuman acts to happen to the villain.

    As for writers, gore and violence is used to instigate strong emotions to the reader and thus make the reader drawn to the novel in hope for paybacks happens. Tho the normalized gore and violence is not a Chinese thing it goes way back since the Victorian era and Gothic, thriller romance... And during the medieval era it's even worst. (they even have a books of type of torture for specific crimes)

    But, I do agree with you that Chinese novels, tend to punish too extremely not only the villain but her/his entire family. There's also the thing about "beating their children" for educational purposes that is equally alarming. Atleast for me, it's enough to make my heart break when I hear them say that. Idk maybe it's a cultural thing, so maybe it's normal to them.
    There's also the thing of writers wanting to be historically accurate so they rewrite what was normal in the past (punishment and execution alike). :/
     
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    Exactly. I don't want the worst for slave girl. And i think she already own her own bad reputation that will remain in history. Plus, she already been a slave and had her own fair of traumas.

    That's also the reason, why I'm one of those people that don't want her daughters to know about her or let people know that they are her offspring. I don't think it would make their life any better since they will always be judged by others or be object of people hostility.
    I do agree that children are not their parents but, not everyone think the same.
    I think it's better for Ahn and Gloriem to just know their mother loved them and protected them. It's better that instead of telling them theres a chance they are of royal blood.
    Also better avoid, growing seeds of delusions like: "I don't believe my mother had an affair, I could be queen if I show my father emperor that it was all mistake.~"
     
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    Well stupidhsoe isn't father emperor anymore. And so far it seems gloriem is gonna be raised by bandits. Also everyone knows gloriiem isn't stupidshoe so no chance oft hat happening

    I think if the kids want to know they should do what most people do. Wait tunnel there 18 then ask if they want to know or not

    Otherwise if they find out through other sources it would seem like a betrayal. Keeping a huge secret like that dosnet look good
     
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    Ummm....I just wanted her to spend the rest of her life in the tower ruminating on what she did wrong. I think that more than any other punishment would’ve been better for her. Since she loves to avoid taking responsibility for her actions and is deeply delusional about how she hurt people. There are far worse punishments than death, and she most definitely deserved it.
     
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    Now that's sociopathic. Just execute her and be done with it
     
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    Sorry, but I fail to see how lifetime imprisonment is sociopathic compared to murder execution.
     
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    Being confined in a closed of place, with no one to communicate, only given food when a captor/ jail employees wants to, never seeing the site of sunset or sunrise again could turn sanest person insane. It is inhumane. At least in modern jail, they are given recreational activities, sometimes letting them meet with family even given parole. But, this story is set in medieval period where life imprisonment meant complete cut off with the world. She could starved to death and rot but no one would bat a eye. In that retrospect , a quick death is more humane then anything.
     
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  13. Marinette

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    But, they are still Rashta daughters and if the possibility of Rashta's image becoming an metaphor for lousy, corrupted, manipulative, murderer woman happens and become ingrained in people's mind, they will suffer prejudice.

    The issue is not about Stupidshu's rep having consequences on them. The people are after all sympathizing with Stupidshu, thinking the emperor was the victim of Rashta's schemes. Rashta is the bad one in their eyes. Of course Stupidshu will gone done in history as a "fool" but ultimately Rashta is the cause in the citizens eyes.

    It's ok. they know when they are older but my guess is they probably will not accept it positively. I mean if I was told that the mother I've imagined to be loving etc, is instead a well known murderer and mentally unstable person. I would understand why people/ foster parents tried hiding it from me. Sure there's betrayal but surely they are smart enough to guess why and understand it was done for their safety.
    Sure, they'll feel sympathetic, after all its their mother and its someone that they'll most probably know the background and the mental trauma she went through.
     
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    Does anyone know how Stupidshoe reacted to Navier & Heinley’s children?
     
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    What's sociopathic for me is cutting the tongue of person just out of paranoia, putting the feathers of a bird a person love on a dish of roasted chicken in hopes to say you're only comfort is dead and ready to be eaten, asking parents to kill their daughter taunting them with money , telling a woman her child is dead just to torment her, murder for pleasure reasons, give a maid hopes that can potentially lead her to punishment for amusement....


    If the novel has hell and paradise world included then I'm sure she has time to rethink of what she has done since she secured her seat in a eternal suffering... I don't know it why I thought of Dante's inferno saga... I'm just one of those people that believe that your actions in life has consequences on the end of your soul after death...
     
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    Some spoilers of recent chapters because McKenna is... the best!
    Chapter 166
    Everyone reacting to the news of Christa’s suicide. Heinley orders to forge a letter blaming Duke Zmensia for abandoning Christa, that’s why she committed suicide. Duke Zmensia is raging that Heinley killed her... Navier is worried what will happen later. She can’t do anything because everyone wants to keep her safe during early stages of pregnancy.

    Rashta orders her maid to find her a baby of the same age as princess so she can practice holding her. Then Alan drops by to pay a visit and complains that his son should be raised as a quasi-prince... Rashta got really scared of his words and probably wants to silence him one way or another.

    Chapter 167
    Heinley says he wants to hold a baby shower and he will send invitations himself. Navier wants to help because it’s supposed to be her job but everyone is overprotective. So he sneakily sends an invitation to Sovieshu to mock him.

    Sovieshu swears hard when he sees the invitation and decides to send a gift. Then Marquis Karl visits him saying there are rumours that Rashta cried and hugged Duke Elgy... Sovieshu says he wants the year to be over already. Marquis is very worried about Rashta’s reputation but Sovieshu doesn’t care.

    Heinley finished learning magic control from Grand Duke Kapman but doesn’t want to teach Navier yet, he says he needs to test it on other people.

    Heinley with McKenna are waiting for Marquis Ketran in the office. Heinley is very straightforward: what is the weakness of Duke Zmensia? When he wonders what to do, Heinley presses him further: he discarded his own daughter, do you think he will not discard his nephew? If you help me, I will cover for you. So Ketran said that the grandchildren are very precious to old Duke. Heinley then says it’s not enough to overlook his faults and that he needs to pay more...

    Heinley: “I need your body”
    McKenna:
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    Hahahaha....McKenna is GOLD! He's the MVP in this novel, seriously! :blob_grin:

    Thank you for your work and sharing the spoilers with us! :blobnom:
     
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    Not really sure if it's translated correctly or if I read it right, but Sovieshu while thinking about Navi's baby gift and thrown the letter they sent him about the party for the newborn, his gaze come across a portrait of his and Navi potential children. Apparently in the past 3 years of them trying to make babies, artist tried speculate how their children will look like using portraits. So he looks at this portrait of a child and hope the baby doesn't look like Navier's or the kid in the portrait. I think he thinks it will hurt more finding out the baby he imagined with Navier will look like how they imagine but the father isn't him. There was a line saying that "could be their children"...
    Not sure if this is correct since machine translation far from perfect but anyway so far this is what I managed to crack of code from those translation.
    Thanks for the Spoielr Mckenna! The talk with Heinley was translate so bad I couldn't understand it. For me, it was difficult to understand.
     
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    No, Sovieshu has a portrait of Navier and him on her knees (almost like the cover image of the novel). He got it... maybe 50~ chapters ago. He ordered the painter to redo Navier’s face because she was looking away in the distance and he asked to make her look at him, so they look in each other’s eyes.

    the children... he was just imagining how their first child will look like. He hopes her child will resemble Heinley and not her because it will be too painful for Sovieshu to see little Navier and think it could be his and Navier’s child.

    MTL is super hard to understand yeah. Some languages are harder to mtl, some author’s writing style also messes up mtl a lot.
     
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    Thanks a bunch for the corrections.
    Yeah, i definitely wondered why there's suddenly a baby portrait mention in the mtl when i read it.
    Are you using Google translation? If it not is there a better translation app that is more accurate or close to a good translation?