Discussion china cultural protectionism

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  1. DocB

    DocB "I see you, little mouse! Run along"

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    My criticism is not so much that it doesn't work, but that there is no author that says it doesn't work.
    You will find pretty much all range of opnions about economics(private vs state owned), emmigration, conspiracy theories and so on, but there is not a single author that says it is acunpucture and martial art are outdated (aren't as effective as other methods)
    Did you watch the youtube video that were in the original post that is basically that. A chinese mma fighter got tired when a taichi master got state backing and aired on television "martial arts demonstration" that reveal its mystical power of beating 10 fighters at once, so he challenge the master for a fight and put him in the ground in 3 second and then the mma fighter suffered state reprisal.
    And about no touch knockout, there was never a registered case of it happening against a resisting opponent almost if it doesn't work if you don't believe it works

    Source for WHO 114 different diseases would be appreciated (cause i went to their site and couldn't readily find it)
    No, that is your work, science is the process of making an hypothesis on how it works, testing if your hypotesis explain how it works, analysing the result and throwing away the theories that fail at doing so.
    The one making the claim that sticking the needle cures "whatever" is the one that has to know what physical effects that has. Is it the act of having needle puncture that cause the effect, is it the microscopic amount of material in the needle left after the puncture that have effect. How does it afect situs inversus patients? How effective it is when applied in a double blind study?
    How would you even do a double blind study?
    You mention book and translation, they can be a point of inspiration, but i doubt that an old gezzer that lived 1000 years ago without knowing about microscopic life such as bacteria and unlife such as virus, somehow manage to find the right combination on your body to activate cheat mode

    You say that there are more than 300 what about in between, what does it does if you put the needle there, or put it in all at the same time, does the patient explode.
    And when you say that one alone does nothing but in combination it does how do you decide on the 10, is it due to individual effect of each point or because the recipe of combination came in some book.

    And about animals which is best human analogue? Does a chimp have similars points as a human? And a rat does it have more or less points? In humans are there different effect due to race/gender/age/precondition such pregnacy/ autoimmune?
     
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    lol, everything in novels is fake. If you want to compare the "facts" in novels to scientific journals, maybe it is time for you to take a break from reading novels. Because you are getting annoyed by something that isn't real.
     
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    No, I did not watch the video. I just wanted to provide a comparison to what Tai Chi would be perceived by someone who is learning acupuncture.
     
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    @fteg123 that really interesting article~
     
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    It may be rare, but it does happen. For example, I read a World War II novel a while back, and while the writer is Chinese, there are barely any mentions about China other than how much its armies were outmatched by the Japanese. Instead the book spends all its time finding ways to shoot Nazis, blow Nazis up, stab Nazis, and otherwise do horrible things to Nazis. It's great.

    Anyways, the OP is silly because the Chinese government's support isn't the reason why these topics come up in Chinese novels. Instead, writers use them as material because there's already broad public familiarity with them.

    No; and where do you get such outlandish ideas from? Do you really think that Republican martial artists are organized like they are in xianxia novels?
     
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    Yeah, if there was such organization among martial artists it would have probably been suppressed already by previous governments.
     
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    Shaolin wikipedia article, note 28 link.
    Previous government was supportive and were not hostile to their religious background so they did not need to worry. During the warlord period Shaolin trainees were recruited into local militia.

    During the establisment period of communist rule most monks wre imprisoned and released and while the practice of kungfu was banned local police, were once students, turned a blind eye to monks training at night up in those mountains.

    Then the cultural revolution started and they were targeted for their Buddhist background. The monks weren't killed but were humiliated and had to sign confessions of their crimes. Most people in the revolution had to admit those charges which were good propaganda pieces to strengthen communist legitimacy or plant an image in people's mind and weaken the accused.
     
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    You however also have a case in 1928 when one of the warlords burnt down most of the Shaolin monastery.
     
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    That destroyed most of the books and scrolls. Most likely killed a few monks too. And those who survived tried rebuilding, the Japanese didn't allow them to recruit or practice, followed by a brief period of Nationalist rule, then the communist came to power.

    The monks were banned from practicing and teaching, as it's not deairable for the monks to pass on traditional thought or Buddhism or gaining followers. Most of any teachings or engravings that remain were destroyed from the temple in the following decades of communist rule.

    According to wiki there weren't any monks at the temple in 1986. Those who had access to the lost knowledge (read them personally or taught by actual masters) likely died by the 1980s as they were pariahs of society, if they haven't forgotten from simply not practicing.
     
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    Nobody ever said that there was no persecution in Communist China; just that it wasn't because they were martial artists. Religious persecution sure, cultural persecution sure, but fear of martial arts? That's nuts.
     
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