Totally agree here this summarize all I try to say thanks I love you, I also really think as of now braham descendant won't be growth because the possibilities to myth does not comes from braham talent but his hard work, after he is an myth that would change, Why? Well because now the class would include in it the knowledge and skills to raise to myth inherited from braham Btw when I mentioned pagma before I knew that Baal power will never comes included just used it as an counter argument to his braham descendant is growth because braham " can growth to myth because his hard work" Well mumud is still an caring person even now he suffers when agnus use him to kill, but his hatred for braham is just way too much and I can understand it if braham did not make him an lich I am sure at that point mumud would have forgiven him, he pretty much when to the undersea city and was happy and leaved all behind only for braham to reappear and say " hey I know you are happy and you want an peaceful dead but I want you to be my lich and your opinion or wishes do not Matter" and let's be real we love braham but he was and is an mess on the psychology department he still is afraid, do no understand his own feelings and try to hide his own defects and problems under his actitudes of bad boy I also don't like yours because the same reason and I tried to understand yours but it seems it was not mutual too bad -Braham himself opened the path to myth by his hard work (title) not his talent or potential. -Braham descendant right now is legend not growth because the path to myth was opened not by his talent or potential but his hard work and that does not go into the descendant class system, so if braham died right now even thought he was on his way to myth, class stuck on legendary. -when braham becomes an myth his class will automatically become growth one because now the class also have in it the knowledge and skills to be an myth. - descendant inheritance is skills and knowledge. -titles (dukes, myth ussurping, etc) life choices(pagma Baal power), feats(demon killing) and trainings/hard work( skills combination, level, stats) are not inherited -every class with hard work and feat can growth to myth or have an legend/myth version Pd: I never and I mean never said braham is stuck at being an legend because if potential is what we talk about grid would be stuck at being the weakest legend by his natural potential.
It would be good if in Madra's madness born a different (but complete) swordsmanship (inferior to the first) basically on the level of the degraded version Grid has now. Grid gets it, and in the future fuses it with his sword dances. Elevating his swordsmanship from legendary to mythical.
Yeah we were comparing the potential rankings but they were only about the past 9 Legends, they weren't about the all Legends.
What I wanted to say I have said in my previous post about that. We will all see what happens next to Grid and Lord when they get the [Braham's Descendant] and [Grid's Descendant] respectively.
Of the 9 Braham is the strongest, since he's still alive with resurrection magic and is heading to a myth Only other possible myth candidate is Muller. But since we don't know where he is, or what he's doin if he was a alive, just assume he's dead. If he's dead he can't grow. So even if he was stronger than Braham, eventually Braham will surpass him. He already got a new legendary skill after that demon raid Muller was the best of the legends so if Braham is 1st due to technicality He is automatic 2nd 3rd is Madara. Highest potential, but all that it was. Potential. He completed his Swordsmanship up to 1 million killing blow, with time it could've been greater. Could've been a different type of swordmanship, like extinction level blade. He mightve been able to kill a dragon, but he only was able to be defined as a one man army max. Many people don't know him, he's barely remembered. Although the only people who remember him are the best of the best, they also all agree he fell short his potential Pagma is 4th. Became Baal's contractor, was a trancendent after becoming human when moving to the west, powerful swordsmanship With the contract also a necromancer And he makes his own equipment so Overgeared 5th Povia last neutral combat job Also an bow specialist, trap specialist and maybe spirits, maybe blessing from the world tree. Druid magic (unlikely) 6th Gus, tank. Need very high attack power to kill him, and he can fight wirh the pickaxe properly. If he has a fighting style, on top of a defence style, he might be above Povia 7th Tailor Guy only because he makes his own equipment and is Overgeared His attacks are mostly debuggers SOS he doesn't do a lot of damage on his own which is why he's her 8th Alex Super specialized job Like maybe he would be effective against pagma, but aside form that the other legends aren't restricted by that penalty Muller, Pagma, Madara and Braham can kill great demons just fine as well, Alex probably kills them better and faster but like put him up against any other species and he's just a magic gunman not even at the saint level Idk where to put lancier, don't know how strong he was. The 25th apparently was th strongest, faker is prophesied to surpass him, the 1st is probably OP but Agnus was the one to kill him so idk Jisuka killed him too though he was weakened as a summon Btw the descendent classes all depend on the actual developed skills of the legend which is why undefeated kings decendent probably wont necessarily be stronger than Brahams or Muller's Muller was alive way longer than Madara too
It could go 2 ways an degraded version of his old tech or new techniques that are born from his madness by forgoing the ones he used in life ... I think it would be cool if the author whent with the new completed swordman ship based on his madness than just continue to get degraded versions... I mean can you imagine some skills called "madness swordmanship" or "Madra" swordmanship" and not army yes out of all the legends on their time braham was 3rd at most. Now he is the strongest legend alive but I think powerwise he is an little under his old firepower's but he is definitely stronger than before with all the new skills and abilities he get I am sure that by the end of the novel he will be the strongest legend of his generation Old gen ranking( on old days) pagmaBaal with all the undead> Muller>Madra(given time and had he gone out of his country would be first)>pagma =/>Braham after this get hard to know but lantier should be pretty high maybe after braham and before povia Right now I believe that even thought braham level is lower than before( he was 600) he is stronger than pagma before he did the contract Hmmm undefeated King descendant is an very hard class to define since he should get 1m army. And just the name sound gamebraking ... But we also don't know what Muller got in his lifetime maybe Muller got an god killer sword skill?
The crazy thing is that 1 mill sword is Madara being restricted. Imagine if he was ruler of the whole continent and not just his small kingdom, how much his strength would've grown. If just a few more nations remembered him Definetly would've become a myth then Even if Muller doesn't have a god killing blade, as long as he has more then 1 legendary sword style, that would be enough to troll anyone to death. And he can cut magic, and the formulas in the air, just rediculus And Braham has proven that he does actually know a few more super high level spells it's just he doesnt have enough resources yet to perform them, Braham is still Growing and that's awsome Imagine if they run into Pagma's soul in hell and the two fight
yeah if madras was know an little more " by fighting outside lubana he would had conquered the empire in less than 15 years after that his name would be know on all the continent making him an myth at that point. but if he was an myth he would be still king or part of the tower of wisdom .... TT-TT why did his son kill him on an rush just 10 more years in muller case i am sure he knew more than 1 style that broke the balance i mean he can cut magic formulas, montains, no exageration an toothpick 1km away from him, now knowing that we can just imagine how broken would have been madra using swordtech after 1m if he lived those 10 years. well braham can use numbered demon level magic like he is doing magic missile so it is no surprise he know more ..... next magic he show will be time stop .... o.o i would not be surprised if he used it more than braham and pagma fight i would like to see mumud arc resolution AND grid giving an good beating to pagma for being an idiot to everyone that ever helped him
Can someone tell me will the grid become richer after the reunion? or is he going to have another bad luck?
There is more to Madra's existence. In Empire there were many powerhouses like 9 Dukes and Grandmaster Zikfrector-He is the reincarnation of 6th evil Zik, the sin of sloth. He was a myth previous his reincarnation and maybe a peak level Half-God, so after reincarnation he may be atleast the pseudo-myth level. And even after all this Madra was able to bear that all heavy brunt himself to defend Lubana. After he became the Death Knight of Pagma he defeated the 10th Great Demon Leraze easily even though he may have been weakened due to becoming an undead. It is not that his power level was lower than Muller but the Empire at that time was too powerful to even confront.
Yeah he will become rich. Many bad things would happen to him (not severe but funny) which may look like bad luck but most of them would be attributed to his good luck. This happens in many novel though.
In terms of pure strength, I would rank Pagma as number one. Remember, Not only was Pagma able to use a more powerful version of Pagma's swordmanship than Grid, he also had a deal with Baal and obtained strength that exceeded Mueller. I would rank Madra second. Some of you might think that he's weaker than Mueller but as far as we know, the highest ranking Great Demon Mueller sealed was Hell Gao, who is rank 9 and Madra, only being able to use basic moves, was able to take down the rank 10 Great Demon, Lerajie. And if he grew famous, I have no doubt that he would be the most powerful legend to ever exist Mueller is third, cuz well, he's Mueller the Sword Saint, the Hero King Braham is fourth. He has an incredible achievement, which is surviving Flame Dragon Trauka's wrath, actually managing to steal something from his lair. It's pretty damn impressive when you think about it because dragons are completely immune against magic. Fifth, Mumud, dude was so talented that Braham was jealous of him, and it was said that if he was given time to grow, he could have surpassed even Mueller Sixth is Lantier because he has a combat class. He was said to be the most powerful Lantier out of all of them. Seventh is Povia. I'm ranking her under Lantier because we've seen literally nothing about her. Eighth is Alex, he's probably above Mueller when it comes to dealing demons but it's a very specialized class, usually making it weaker than other combat classes Ninth is Kruger, Legendary Tailor. Dude is a nightmare to deal as time goes on, he can make items that are specifically meant to deal with you and disrupt your attacks and overall, a very tricky opponent. Tenth would be the Legendary Miner, Gis. He's a great tanker, probably the best in the game but he's just a tanker, not a damage dealer. He wouldn't be able to deal with any other of the legends because he's very defence-oriented.
All is good but Mumud wasn't a [Legend], he was a [Pseudo-Legendary] entity, yeah he was powerful and all that and had innate talent lower level than only Madra. We all know Baal's Contractor Pagma was very OP character, even Muller couldn't defeat him at that time, but the problem is he did many things that are hidden but Muller did many things that are known to whole world which constituted his legeds (status and story), while Pagma did many things but only the Legendary Blacksmith Pagma was renowned to the world not the most powerful Baal's Contractor Pagma. If the world knew about all the legends of Pagma I am sure he would have been more powerful than ever, I know he was the strongest out of the nine Legends but I am only talking about him being more powerful. In the story and legends/myths/status Grid is the best due to his [Epics], that is a very fucking random trigger skill of the [Magic Swordsman of the Epics] class. This literally promotes his story as epics (poem/poetry) that's why I like that class very much. He also now has [Blacksmith's Skill Comparable to a God] which gives 1 stat point in [Deity] every 3 Myth Items created (after making that fucking stone sword out of that Trauka's stone).
yeah he had some powerhouse on the other side but also he just fought an defensive battle if he had been more active in the offense the empire would have fallen .... i can see why from what we read about him he was an peaceloving man and just fought the empire to protect his land AND never did an counter invation on full scale but you have to see that even while all he was doing was an defensive war he generated enought pressure to the empire to litereally make it fall 10 years if he had lived just by him being alive. well think about it zik must have fought him once and said "hell if i pressure him too much he will develepot too much and will kill me better sit it out" ... and i belive that is what is the worst part of being madra enemy HE DEVELOPED AT REAL TIME knowing him the sword techs names comes because he literally used them againts those numbers as an way to cope it. Just imagine this: Emperor: just send around 100k troops they can take care of that small country madra: 100k swordmanship ( about 30% or more death at the end of battle not counting ptsd) Emperor: ..... ok he killed them try with 200k+ madra: again 200k swordmanship Emperor: ok we cannot step back send an 300k and an duke (repeat and few times with bigger numbers) some years later: Emperor: ok he killed a lot of our 1m army on some fight before, grandmaster says he wont go there anymore, we lost some dukes and the ones alive say no way in hell they will fight him. We have most of our troops on the border just in case, we tried to kill him now that he is older and still kicked our butt AND the surrounding countries are taking advantage that we have so many troops to contain lubana ... Adviser: why dont we try to fight back those contries with the troop on lubana? Emperor: really last time we tried that undefeated king invaded us and it did not go well
Mumud's class starts from legendary so I'm assuming that he was a legend. And Pagma's strength was confirmed to be higher than Mueller.
his job was at most in life unique or maybe psudo-legend on power late in life because his weak body was an really an huge weakness to his own growth .... The class mumud descendant is legendary(growth) because the player would have all the skill, knowlege, potential growth of mumud AND an healthy body to back it up. look at it this way he had an potential growth of 100 BUT an sick body means less time to train/read/study, was easier for him get tired, most likely intense pain at bad moment and lots of other problems in the way would make it go down to 10 and even with all that againts him he made an generic magic formula, found an way to directly use the mana around in the air bypasing the mana core AND opposite elements magic composition . if he had an healthy body who knows what else could he made now that i wrote that i whant to give braham an really big punch in the face mumud alredy had a lot of problems to also have being betrayed by his father figure TWICE added to all
This might be a dumb question but could Lord meet the qualifications to become [Madra's descendant]? To my knowledge, he has yet to be defeated (saved by Agnus/Grid) & he could get ahold of one of Madra's equipment. Madra's death knight journal is currently located in the library of the palace, so this might spark a class change or open the possibility for him. I know this is far fetched but I'd be so hyped if it happened. I think the Madra and Mueller debate is interesting. Taking out the rank 10 Great Demon with simple attacks is hard to beat. I'm going with Madra over Mueller until we hear more about end game Mueller and Lerajie's abilities.
...........Undefeated Overgeared King Lord Grid needs to have a kid after becoming a demigod with Mercedes, she could get her mother's eyes. She would basically be 1 tier above Lord and become like goal for him to be stronger than and protect And then another one as a full fledged god with Maria Rose and create a god child