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if that's not what you said i would like for you to go into details on what exactly you were implying when you stated "But this community is famous for attempted doxxing and flagrant disregard for privacy ." again DO NOT VICTIM BLAME, it isn't kika's fault she got doxxed, the site owner decided to dox her and avoid being held accountable by saying "oh in a brief moment of anger i impulsively betrayed someone who has entrusted me with their private infos". and what solution would any decent human being propose? APOLOGIZE SINCERELY, what else? lmfao

 

Well, I gotta say, dating websites wouldn’t work if no one could give their trust to a stranger on the internet at some point. And that’s how I met my husband, through a dating website.

I’ve also made friendships with people over the internet, and some are people I’ve ended up trusting with my information as we formed deeper friendships. Fortunately, so far no one has abused that trust. In fact, you could say that my current best friend is someone I met and primarily interact with over the internet, as we live too far away to have met less than a handful of times. She knows my name and address, my email and phone number, and I haven’t felt gullible giving it to her.

I can’t speak to the circumstances under which OP trusted Tinni with his/her information, but I’m not going to blame OP for doing so.

 

You are more of an optimist than I am.
I did point out that forgiving is the best solution to de-escalate the situation but many here do not seem interested in that.
I did not mean forgiving and keep working with Centinni.
I recommend moving on.

 

hey @GonZ555 where are ya?
management chaos, communication chaos, backstage drama, cherry pick topic

personally imo this drama is funny, yeah I literally laughing re read whole fiasco up to this point~ maybe abit heartless but this cat still laughing~

oh well laugh before its forbidden to laugh

 

Moving on... When the smears are still publicly available to see?
For anyone who reads on Centinni?

That's like saying "Moving on" when someone is setting up explosives and rigging them up.
You can choose to run away, but the bomb will still be going off on the intended target.

 

*grabs some popcorn and see the replay*
Ooooh~

 

Well... this was a lot to digest.

 

I should go to forums more often, reading this is surprisingly fun and even educational to some extent.

 

Alright so did ask a consultant regarding taxes and they said as we are not a firm yet. We need to pay 18% reverse GST (Goods and services tax) on whatever we pay as royalties/expenses. This amount will be added as Tax Input Credit and can be used in case any liabilities arise, and with our website we have no liabilities. Also this is for domestic people who might pay the GST while giving donos, as for for foreign donos, he said he will need to look into that. Anyways he said, we would need to hire a consultancy to do this work which would again be very expensive for us as we might in some cases need a certified CA to do this. In the end he said to pay taxes as individual until we can hire people.

This is the gist of what I got, anyways, if anyone has any expertise in Indian laws related to GST or know anyone who can help please msg me. Thanks a lot! This is different for a firm but as we aren't so and again, I don't even have the idea to how to become one, and neither do I think we are big enough to become one. If anyone have more knowledge on this matter please help us, we would like to fix this as well.

 

I get that you want others to help you in this problem since it is a pain to search for it yourself but don't you think that it would be more appropriate to make a separate thread for this since technically this thread isn't for people to help you but for you to resolve the problem and fix the mistake you made b4 since you still didn't take down and remove those so called things 'you wrote in a fit of anger' in your announcements or address them properly instead of just keep going around the problem or trying to divert people attention to the steamy thread you guys made about going full smut in the future even though most of the staff is underage as far as I heard and read in your discord.
Also this thread is KitKet addressing her grievance and the wrongdoings she suffered during her time with you guys and not Centinni NEED WITH MANAGEMENT AND TAXES, and maybe not long after you will start asking for more things that you should have looked up b4 or during your time starting the website, and pls don't tell me you are poor to hire professional since you can still at least use Google to search for information instead of just saying my dad told me, blaming your ignorance and whining about how poor you are since all the fan translation groups started the same as you guys did, none of them were filthy rich at the start since all of them were a small group once that got so far by sleepless nights and spending lots of time researching how to improve themselves, not by ignoring every problem and just blaming your mistake on your lack of knowledge and how you know nothing about everything instead of putting some effort trying to look up things yourself.
Ps: my English isn't the best so forgive me if there were any mistake in this comment also I have always been lurking since I joined this forum this year but reading this forced me to comment especially with how you keep trying to shift the focus from the what op experienced and had to go through to other stuffs.
~ just a good Samaritan that had enough seeing injustice go unpunished in this world ~

 

I dont think you know this but people have been asking us why do we need to pay those taxes, and they didn't believe it so I asked a CA just to clarify this and if someone knew better, we are open to suggestions. That's it. And I didn't search google, had a vc with a accountant and talked with him, and is there anything bad to let someone do yer taxes? The answer hasnt changed after all. You guys be so salty with this dad thing. It's indeed just the same as one reader told me.

 

Oh, now you did some research and finally hired an accountant after whining about how you know your taxes and you're too poor to hire one? And now you're trying to make it so everyone's blaming you for doing the right thing finally? Congrats on being as bad at redirecting attention as the US and Chinese governments.

Now, address the fricking issue. Clarify all your statements you've shat all over the place. Apologise for all the wrongs you've done, properly in a clear and concise statement that can be seen by all your readers (because you were idiotic enough to bring it to the readers by complaining at the story's chapters instead of keeping it a separate article). Apologise for the slander. Apologise for doxxing. Apologise for attempting misleading everyone about what even happened. Apologise for pushing the blame on other people instead of being responsible adults and admitting you were wrong without going all passive aggressive "we were too angry to think because money/he said she said" bs. Even Tati Westbrook and Jeffrey Star apologised better than you did, and that's not saying much because their apologies had some issues too.

I just wanted tea, but I end up stumbling upon people with dubious morals trying to exploit people around them. Wtf is wrong with you people? Is normal tea not enough? Must you make it into an ethical mess?

 

Before this thread gets sidetracked even further from the real issue (childish defamation in a 'fit of anger', exploitation and doxxing of an innocent translator who didn't deserve that crap), either intentionally or unintentionally, by slipping into the web of contesting Indian tax laws, here's a point that I personally think needs to be made.

1. Centinni, I hope you someday stop sipping the coo coo juice and realise that you are an illegal fan translation group, and do not have a single right of claim over the projects that you, and your members, translate illegally. You do not have the license to translate these novels, and nope, you're not a legal company. Go try and contest it in a court of law if you don't wanna believe that. Though, I can't see it going well for you. Now, that being said, what is the relevance of this? In the case that the translator in question wanted to leave Centinni along with the project she was translating (if she actually proceeded to do so), what rights would you have to stop her? None. As far as everyone is concerned, she could take the novel wherever she wanted, and you could also continue working on it too with a new translator, and even a third party could get in on the action! (Though of course, sniping is a pretty morally shitty thing to do in the eyes of most people). Therefore, you basically just threw a childish hissy fit on no grounds and made yourselves look like fools.
*I realise that this does seem like a bit of a side note, but I wanted to air it since this whole argument is not only about the payment issue which has already been discussed to death, but also the transference of projects (see "traitor!", "YUI picked up the novel not her [so she has no right to take it and it stays with us bc we picked it]", "I am asking him to tl a chap... I am not telling anything till its done" - regarding the MTL Centinni tried to force upon OP, "if u think we will let [project] go from our hands then u are wrong" "we found the novel for you", etc). Now, take a minute, realise you are not a real, legal company, realise you do not have the license, realise you look like clowns trying to claim ownership of these novels and force things upon your translators... I could go on. Unfortunately for you, just as the OP/other translators do not have the legal right to take projects as they wish and be the exclusive translator, you don't have the legal right to stop them, as neither of you have the license

2. What is needed is an apology, not an explosive comment about the translator being a "traitor", not a pathetic attempt to divert the thread to your new porn novels (really, no one cares), and definitely not a half-hearted sorry and an attempt to ask for help with taxation when no one is letting your crap slide any longer. I feel sorry for the translators/editors/proofreaders that work for you (or at least the ones who are innocent in this whole charade); they really got the short end of the stick. I sincerely hope you work on your PR, management and general human decency.

 

Look, we get it. There might be some miscommunication about the supposed payment between your side and Kitket, or that you might misinterpret the law about taxes. Lets put the money stuff aside for now.

Now, the main reason Kitket put up this thread up is to answer the accusations and slanders that Centinni put up in their statement in their website and discord! The whole things about supposed payments are just her answers to your claim that she is greedy and want more payment, while in her view you underpaid her according to the calculations. She also answers the allegation your side made about her asking the new translator to drop PN while in reality, she want to confirm if the new translator will do it or not, so she can drop it. And the whole thing about when she said that "Centinni won't give you much" is again, from hew view and the calculations at that moment, is the reality/fact.

Now that you said the whole payment stuff is just a misunderstanding. And said that you apologize and so. If so, why the hell is that slanderous statement made by Centinni still up on their website?! .I do not use discord but is the statement on discord still up?

The very least you should do right now is retract your statement on the website/discord and put the notice/statement there about you asking for apologies from kitket and clarify the matters.

 

Thank good I entered the forum before I went to sleep right now if not I am afraid you will be left unanswered since it look like everyone is too bored to even entertain you or bother to talk with you at this point.
First I read all the 4 threads that are addressing this issue so I know what happened, I am not commenting about anything before I heard from both parties, also I think that you need to know that people post official statement once and that is it not 2 times and then also adding an announcement that you will start smut while not even clearing your butt from all this shit you, and again the problem isn't that someone is doing your taxes, the problem is that you are an adult (I think not sure anymore if you are an adult or a five years old and maybe scratch that since my baby sis have more eloquent speech ability) and that you are still acting like a naive child who is ignorant about everything around him and you honestly should have talked with an accountant and sought a professional way before you even started your website and the structure of your team, and I am not salty about you asking your dad i said that you should know about this stuff and search for it not just say that my dad told me unless he is a professional in the field which I doubt seeing all the problems you guys have when you need answers you ask a professional not someone who has basic knowledge about what you are asking.
Secondly, you didn't even refute my statement about that being poor isn't a reason for your ignorance so pls stop saying that you guys are poor and that is the reason for your lack knowledge or the nonexistent of it
Also again this post is about KitKet and not your management problems if you freaking want people to help you create a new thread and I am sure there will be a lot of kind people who will offer help regardless of your misdeeds and the fault you guys made and didn't really apologize for, and please you should have really requested help way before I know I said it but I got to say it again that this show your lack of sight.
Still didn't finish what I wanted to say I refreshed to see the replies and it got sent on its own
Also it look like there are still kind and righteous people here at least this bring hope that the translation scene isn't corrupted yet

Also I want to ask you something did you even read what she posted and why did you not respond to anything there
ps:the announcement you made isn't really addressing the point so pls apologize for all what you wrote since it was a shitty move of your part, I know people can say it is a mistake and a lack of communication but don't blame what you said in that since it is still your mistake in the first place
I want to say more but it 11 PM and I am sleepy as hell so I will leave it tomorrow when I wake up
And again sorry for my crude language I am quite a loner irl so seeing how she was betrayed like this made me feel her pain more deeply since I faced betrayal before from those I once counted as close friends, I hope you admit your mistakes for real and apologize for them instead of the bullshit you wrote and please stop side tracking the damn thread

 

I must admit, I agree with some of your statement. Though I do hope for everything to be solved soon. From what I'm seeing is that part of the misunderstandings could actually be solved with a proper conversation not to forget, while remain with a cool head, that aside... Let's just leave both parties to work on the said project seeing on the fact that none of us actually have the rights to stop others from working on it... You do ur stuff, I'll do mine. Or sumn like that I guess... But might as well be careful because these convo explicitly stated that there's profit the staff receive from working on the projects, looking at how active some authors are on the social media, idk... This could be another problem which resulted in stuff like lawsuits or sumn. Which I guess all of us are pretty much aware. Can't say who is wrong and who's right in the first place, after all even though I understand the work have cost u more than just ur time and effort, it's still ilegal, and you've wronged the authors by infringing their work. And also by taking profit from that too. Which is why some group, mostly manhwa scans group only took this activity as part of their enjoyment and hobby.

 

Oh yes, I agree. I personally dislike the idea of profiting from something that is someone else's creation, but I do see why some groups do it when they dedicate such a large amount of time to translating. Though it really does make me sad when groups simply pick up novels for profit and don't give two shits about the story/quality of work :/ And yes, given how active Korean authors and publishers are in picking up on these things, talking about their payment systems publicly is definitely not a good idea hahaha

 

Oh yeah, p.s. All in all... In the end of the story, I guess giving an apology won't hurt... Looking at the fact that the said person was a victim for being slandered and doxxed. :/

Uhuh.. hahaha

 

hold on, these people (Centinni) are in the end just another fan translation group, right? Why would they think that they're “running” a legitimate business in the first place? We all know that unless they have the official licenses, what they are doing is essentially copyright infringement or at least something that exists in a gray area. Are they just having a massive power trip on getting a couple of bucks a month on Patreon by posting MTLs or something? Get a real job instead if you guys are running this group just for the money, imagine just how much of a manchild you have to be to claim ownership over a hobby like this and then roast the people you've “worked with” on discord because they don't like being bossed around lmao

 

this actually made me realize an interesting question.
I don't know about JP and KR novels,
but if you are translating CN novels, the illegal fan translation have the potential to become official translation.
the most recent example would be WAO.
Now here is the interesting question that suddenly came to my mind,
If the original publisher wants the fan translation to become official, who do they need to contact and who do they need to pay?
Do they contact the translation group? Or do they contact the translator?
Do the so-called fan translation groups really have the right to claim that the works that done by other people theirs?
I guess some greedy "fan translation groups" would probably take a huge chunk of cut, if the translation was sold to the original publisher.
Or maybe, they don't even give a simple penny to the translator at all, because they have already "paid" them to translate.