LCD Death Mage

Discussion in 'Latest Chapter Discussion' started by lygarx, May 21, 2017.

  1. sjmcc13

    sjmcc13 Well-Known Member

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    a huge trap. ;)
     
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    In the case of bellwood and alda there is also the a bit to say about how gods are shaped by the prayers of the people. After the war with the dk the world was split between alda and vida. Bellwood had to have a guider type class being mister hero and all so most if not all people in alda's camp would probably be guided by him. This probably let bellwood accidentally brainwash alda without him even realising it just by guiding everyone that prayed to alda.
     
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    With the Dark Continent visit it was heavily implied that Bellwood didn’t accidentally do anything. The former hero turned fire god turned traitor to his summoning god turned penitent Faruman, was questioned repeatedly if he’d finally woken up from his meddling from Bellwood. Specifically I can remember the part about “woken up,” which is what gave me the whole cult vibe to begin with. Bellwood is pointed out as being a masterful user of words and pseudo-logic to get his way. For me I just can’t give him any leeway on his actions.
     
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    The funny thing about Bellwood is that for all his talk of 'stuff from Earth is bad don't let people from this world know about any of it' he based almost all of his decisions on what he knew from Earth. Nukes are so bad you never use them ever, Vampires are evil demons. Hell, even the idea that there is one God, or one greater than the others, is almost definitely from Bellwood. In Lambda there has never been one god. There were two that died and made the 11 great gods who walked the planet alongside the people. Only an outsider would have the mindset to think there is a king of gods. Well, or an extremist Alda fanatic who thinks that being the only God still active means he is the strongest and therefore the greatest of the gods.
     
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    Alda was never the "only god" but he was by far the most popular since he was the summoner of the glory hog Bellwood and was also the one who single handedly stole ALL of Vida's authority while she was sealed. Like no subordinate gods or anything. He just said "I've decided I'm the chief god of life now" and renamed himself.

    As for the other stuff the funny thing is if they made the nuke WELL then there would be minimal radiation. Remember the nukes dropped on Japan in WW2 were primitive and even they only caused radiation poisoning in the short term future after the blast. Basically Nuclear Fallout only happens when UNUSED nuclear material is dispersed by the bomb.

    That's something people often get wrong. Things don't BECOME radiactive. Only radioactive material emits radiation so a nuke will cause little to no fallout if you just make sure it uses up almost all of the material such that any left over emits so little radiation it loses out to solar radiation. Then it's like it's not even there.

    Another thing people often get wrong is the matter of half lives. The longer a half life is the less dangerous it is. Think of it like a tank leaking water. A long half life means a smaller leak so less leaks out at any one point in time. It doesn't mean it leaks the same amount as a smaller half life but over a longer period of time. In fact a smaller half life means it's emitting stronger radiation as it's emiting everything it has much faster.

    The general public is very ignorant about Radiation and nuclear power. It's certainly dangerous and should be used with caution but people are so scared of it they are afraid to get near anything accommodated with it.

    But ANYWAY my main point is Bellwood's stance of nukes proves that not only is he a legit Eco terrorist but he's otherwise an almost pitifully normal person. He doesn't even try to understand anything and just acts like he has all the answers because he's decided he's right.
     
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    Well made nuclear weapons hardly exist. The closest we get are hydrogen bombs and these still aren't exactly "clean". The issue is that fission products are often radioactive as well (fusion bombs need fission to get running). As a result these bombs always leave some pollution, no matter how well made, and are, at the end of the day, also still weapons of genocide.
    Things can also technically become radioactive but thats another can of worms I can't be arsed to open. Staying as far as possible from nuclear fission tech is a reasonable stance, especially since the two branches we commonly associate with it come down to genocide and power production (which happens to be the most expensive and risky of them all, and that without being anywhere near green).
     
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    Speaking of which, would it be possible for Lambda (without Van involved) to reach a level similar to that of the legend of Korra? taking into account the difference in proportion of bending / magic users and the difference in power
     
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    If magic is a feat which does not require a random talent but rather education then Lambda (i forgot) could easily go sci-fi within two centuries.
     
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    CountryMage [XSanguine8] not my blood...

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    Throw about ninety reincarnators at it, and it will get there much faster. There could be flying cars, and glove shaped magic staves, within twenty years.
     
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    The problem being the magic education to fuel a magical industrialization, but yes. I was assuming massive spread of it, not just prototypes for specific individuals. The latter could be achieved much faster indeed.
     
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    There is also the fact that gods are not imune to being guided by guiders.
    As we saw in one of the gods incharge of watching Talosheim.
    we also don't realy know the conditions for unloccking a guider type jobb, but one of the conditions might be to influense a god and make them cange their world view or stance. even if it is just a small amount.
    Just look at everyone we know about having guider jobbs. The 7 champions all had a great influence on the great gods (tho we don't exactly know when it began and when they got their jobs), but it still sthrengthens the point about them being able to guide even gods.
    There is also the excample of the Noble orc prince (don't realy remember his name), that hadd the false guidance job. why was it a false guidance? Might be because it was the god bringing it forth and guiding, while making him belive he did it, as oposing to the orc guiding everyone else.
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    Yeah, this turned into questioning what it realy means to be a guider.
    Tho, my point is that a guider does not simply guide people, but people/gods/beast. The diffrence is how strong the effeckt is on diffrent groups, depending on the job and the guiders ideology.
     
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    That's kind of right but not really.

    There are a lot of materials that will become radioactive after exposure to neutron radiation. Typically what happens is that some atom absorbs a neutron, becomes unstable, and decays to something else, That decay can release beta or gamma radiation depending on which decay path is involved.

    Nuclear explosions are fast so the time period in which neutron radiation is intensive enough to activate the surrounding matter is small, and if the explosion happens in the air instead of near the ground there will be very little neuron irradiation of susceptible material (air isn't particularly susceptible).
     
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    Magic on Lambda is partly education and partly natural talent.
    Zadiris: Massively powerful light mage despite being hated by the god of Light, female ghouls having stats that lean towards magic use
    Basdia: Female ghoul but talent and inclination made her a warrior. Which is why ghoul amazons are rare.
    Van himself was said to have very little talent as a magic user during his training at the ghoul village. He made up for it with a massive amount of mana and otherworld knowledge.
     
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    Yeah, you need talent to get through the door. But afterwards it is through knowledge & practice (though how quickly you improve is based on talent).

    I think evolving a magic skill is based on talent too, but inspiration/enlightenment is the key factor (or a god's blessing ;)).
     
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    It's still not to the degree people imagine it though. A Nuke's main goal is to create an explosion and MOST of the energy goes into the heat and force. So from the start the released radiation and fallout are merely by products. Of course you don't want to get hit in the face with said by products. But in terms of lasting damage it's not even close to the half life of the original material. Remember a half life is really just how long it takes for the material to emit half it's energy. So the more energy that is used in the explosion the less there will be to be emitted afterwards.

    Now as for other stuff becoming radiactive sure SOME things may get exposed to radiation and become unstable but the number of materials this can even happen to are limited. And even if they do become unstable nature prefers balance and they'll immediately try to return to a stable state. So sure some material after a nuclear blast may be unstable for a bit but it will either stabilize or at least decay to negligible levels of radiation fairly quickly. Again remember that radiation isn't some mystic force that is just instant death. What matters is how much energy is being emitted. And material that merely absorbed energy for a few moments won't suddenly have as much energy inside it as Uranium.

    Now depending on various factors the area of a nuclear blast may not be safe for a number of years but at the very least it certainly won't take 10K or even 100 years for the enviroment around a nuke to return to normal. Japan is again a fine example of this. In fact even the nuclear plan spillage a few years ago was able to be cleaned up for the most part and that was pure, active material just escaping containment which is kind of like a dirty bomb (a nuke designed purely to spread material rather than use it in an explosion).

    For the record I'm not saying nukes are safe or Radiation is something to play with. But it's also not just pure death. Not all radiation is created equally. In fact there are several "radio active materials" you could hold in your hand for DAYS with no side effects because their emition rate it so low that atmospheric radiation is already greater than it. So just because they say "It will take thousands of years to go away" doesn't mean it will kill people for thousands of years. After a certain point it will be there but barely.
     
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    Heinz hasn't influenced any gods, but he still has a guider type job, so that disproves your theory.

    Also, Schneider already explained the requirements to become a guider and that is to literally guide people which is why both Van and Heinz were able to become guiders while Schneider can't.
     
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    I think in Bellwood's case it is an issue of aptitude. Like how Van filled up the Demon King job instantaneously because that's how much he fit the bill. Bellwood was naturally good at pulling people to his side. He didn't need a guider job to achieve the same effects so it makes sense that, as a God, his skills at persuasion/manipulation never disappeared. In fact, he probably got better at it as he gained experience (life, not system experience).

    On the other hand, Van's guider skills show obvious effect because he is very bad at manipulating people through words. I'd postulate that he would never have received a guider job if he didn't already have the main skill since he was a baby.
     
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    Has he directly interacted with any gods yet?
    It really seems like Heinz guides bellwood when he meets him, since Bellwood was dead set on not doing anything since he feels he only makes things worse
     
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    He interacted with that god of records in Aldas dungeon.
     
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    So no one he would be able to change enough to tell? Since Heinz's guidance is to heavily in to "lets suck Alda's divine wang", and that God is one of the primary fellatiors
     
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