Spoiler Dear Us Who Used to be "The Ice Knight and The Failure Princess"

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  1. Aksakov229

    Aksakov229 Well-Known Member

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    Reading 79 chapter and no romance or fluffy scene make it worse. I think wolf lord's lady more satisfying than this one :blobflag:

    I really think Oscar is the ml (because Adam look so timid and any male chara don't have that much interaction with her). Now i will read some novel with a gentleman & loving ml for cleansing my heart from Oscar. :blobneutral:
     
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    Ngl I got this novel mixed up with something else and was super confused for the first 2 pages
     
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    At least in wolf lord's lady, the MC family were tyrannical trash. And she herself said that she was guilty too. There is a dillema between the people and his love. After that he became a good ruler, still atone for his lie to her and stay alone for the rest of his life.

    Whatever he do to ridelle, i can't justify it with "misunderstanding" or lack of "communication". He is an adult for god sake, even if you hate the thought of her leaving you because you are a bastard just freaking asked her before marriage if she want it or not. You go to war to asked her hand in marriage just asked her . He just ultimately do things that he assumed what is "right" for her without again, asking her ANYTHING. Rather than raped her so she can never leave you. It's not love it's called obsession. He can treat charlotte nicely why can't he treat her at least like a friend. And don't make her death was enough as punisment. He freakin ruined someone's life.

    If oscar really love ridelle, I hope in her new life he can assist her in her true happiness. I don't like it if he end up with juliet. I like him to learn about letting someone go and be happy for the one you love.

    Thank god ridelle has some guts and self respect and freakin slapped him as juliet. And please ridelle stop justify many crappy things that you received because your love for him. You are worthy of love too.

    And for Mirna stop of this senseless meddling . She repeatedly stop him for seeing her. If i was her and really care about my mistress, i would come to oscar's office and told him about everything, how was my mistress love for him, how she was missing her child and how she was hurt by what he had done to her . This stupid "misunderstanding" or whatever wont solved itself if you asked the culprit to go away.
     
  4. Aquaa

    Aquaa 『We Lost The Summer』

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    any spoilers after the last ones?
     
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    Aquaa 『We Lost The Summer』

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    lazynoodles Softie for Villainess & BL

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    That's what I was currently wondering.... What happened to the bandits? Who sent the bandits what if there was any the end game?
     
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  7. Aksakov229

    Aksakov229 Well-Known Member

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    This novel still on-going. If you want some amateur spoiler (because i use mtl and not that good in english) i can give you some.

    After chapter 3 in manga, they will attend Emilia' birthday party (Oscar and Riddel's daughter). Juliet meet some knight (Adam's friends).

    Then, Juliet and Adam give their present and want to greet Emilia. (Juliet's present for her is a picture book). But, when Juliet saw Emilia, she start crying and leave the room.

    Because that commotion, Emilia chase Juliet and force her to rest in a room. Emilia don't have friends, so she want Juliet to rest in here (like spend the night in her house). After that, Emilia go to her father and talk about Juliet.

    Oscar furious after hear about Juliet. He think Juliet is taking advantage of Emilia kindness and want to do something bad to her.

    (This is their first meet, Oscar look so different. Because there is an eyepatch in his left eye and some scar.)

    Oscar go to Juliet's room and say something bad about her (he know Juliet use fake identity to come here), when he insult Juliet's parent, Juliet slap him hard (yeah, take that asshole!). After that Juliet leave.
     
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    Aksakov229 Well-Known Member

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    I use mtl, so not too accurate. It's still unknown (some servants say that its Madeline's fault, but just a rumor). It's a little convincing. But, Madeline's brother (Arthur) died in the same day with Riddel. Because he is a knight captain(?) that protect Riddel carriage that day.
     
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    After Emilia's birthday party :
    This chapter is redemption arc for Oscar. :sweating_profusely:

    Part 1 about nightmare when Riddle died (everyone blaming him, even Mina). He said that he never forget Riddle's voice.

    Part 2 about his FuCkInG TrAgIc PaSt. (I still hate him, though)

    Part 3, 4, 5 and 6 about how Oscar meet Riddle and their marriage. There is a scene (before they married) that Oscar ask Arthur about a present for a woman. Madeline hear this and jealous, she ask Oscar who this woman is.

    Arthur cut Madeline rambling and answer, "it depends on taste and personality of that person." Arthur ask Oscar, "what kind of woman she is?"

    Oscar tell them "she is like a moon, a fairy, something delicate that you want to protect." He embarrassed after that and Madeline roughly leave the room.

    He then give Riddle a picture book: [Princess of the white rose kidnapped by the dragon].

    Part 7-11 Present timeline. About how Emilia throw a tantrum and then refuse to come out from her room (for 3 days).

    Emilia hate Madeline who tutor her (Madeline is a widow now, have a baroness title and 2 child). Emilia know that Madeline want to be her father second wife.

    (Oscar never think that though, even when Madeline called him "Danna-sama (husband?)" He refuse and think just one person can call him like that.

    Oscar and Emilia then made up. Oscar said "You're right, she isn't aiming for property or trying to hurt you."

    Emilia happy and she want to invite Juliet for dinner in their house.
     
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    Rakshanu Immortal Ero

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    You can't really redeem yourself in this case tho. What can he redeem for? You can do redemption for the person who is alive by giving them what they lost and more. What he gonna redeem to a person he caused death of? Remembrance doesn't mean shit when you couldn't appreciate someone when she was alive.

    I hope emilia gets to know the past and further leaves this piece of shit father and he can rot in his hell alone and then try to redeem his sins. He should feel the utter lonliness, hopelessness, parting from child and breakdown the mother felt all her married life before he tries to be redeemed.
     
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    Aksakov229 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you. Well, i think the author will wash him clean and make us forgive him. First, he make a locket with Riddel drawing (or maybe painting?), so he can always see her when she first giving birth to Emilia. Second, he place Riddel painting near his own. Third, he is still single and overprotective dad. His grave mistake is taking Madeline into his home (and make her misunderstand it).

    But... i still don't know what kind relationship Oscar and Charlotte have. (Mtl said half-sister?). Charlotte not appear again, i already read it until 79 chapter, though (she just appear when Riddel died and Oscar want to commit suicide).

    I don't really want him to become ML. If he is, i want to stab his remaining eyes. :blobtriumph:
     
  12. kurisomething

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    While I pity the guy, she’s got a new life, it’s neat that she can meet her daughter but she shouldn’t use her new life to get back into that hellhole of a relationship. To us it’s a bunch of misunderstanding, but to her it was absolute torture.
     
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    I don't know how to feel about this novel. Let's not mention how stupid the ML is, the whole reincarnation thing is totally messed up as well.
    The author tried to portray Riddel and Juliet as two separate people when they are technically the same soul. It would have been understanding if it was something like her reincarnating while being born again to a different set of parents, instead of borrowing another person's body. But from the way author made her forget her past life and let her grow with Juliet's memories makes no sense because the moment she regained her memories as Riddel, she was Juliet in name but still Riddel in actual person. I don't like how the author wants to instill the ideas to readers that Riddel was a delicate and vulnerable female with no room for character development, and Juliet is not the same, since she is Riddel yet not.
    As for that Mina or whatever her name is. She should have known better to not overstep her boundaries and prevent Oscar from seeing Riddel. Even if she wanted to help, she should not have meddled in the affairs of the couple. Who knows, maybe him visiting her on sick bed could have eased their relationship, since it is during times like these that couple learn to stay with each other through thick and thin. Riddel already had inferiority complex due to her frail body, and to top it of with Madeline's verbal harassment she subconsciously believed that Oscar disliked her weak constitution and his visits could have eased the worries a bit and they could have gotten closer.
    Though Riddel was a victim she was not completely without faults. She chose to suppress all her grievance in her heart, let commoners step all over her despite being a Princess and condoned her maid to the point that the person invited her cousin for help without her knowledge which led to Oscar making a stupid move.
    Don't misunderstand. I like Riddel but I can understand why her character warranted such disrespect from high society. Members of Royalty represented their country's face and dignity. They need not be outstanding or excellent but should have enough bearing to be called a proper Princess. Let's face reality people. Riddel's behaviour and mannerisms were unfit for a Princess. She was socially withdrawn just because she was overshadowed by her siblings. And that was the case when she was in the capital which was at the foot of the King. Thus when Juliet mentioned how hard Riddel worked to be a proper wife and Countess that could build connections to support her husband, which I'll be harshly honest sounded more like a joke to me. Even with the support of her parents she could not stand the social scrutiny, not mentioning in a place completely far away from the capital, her biggest support, the King, it would have been nothing more than a pipedream. I dislike ML for taking other females to escort him to social events while hiding things from his wife, but I see nothing wrong with him not taking her to those events considering her cowardly nature.
    Now coming down to their marriage... What can I say? It takes two to do a tango. MC was equally to be blamed for their failed marriage as the ML. The day when she heard that Oscar married her for power and status, instead of storing away the embroidery work silently, she should have just handed it over and made efforts to make the marriage work or simply cut off her relationship with the ML and accepted her family's offer to return, instead of sending letters full of lies. I mean what is the use of silently enduring a marriage when you think it won't work, yet still pin for him secretly? This is simply contradictory and indecisiveness on her part.
    With the two being like this, I cannot hate or like the ML and neither can I relate and sympathised with Riddel. Even if the ML was an irresponsible husband, Riddel was equally to be blamed for working hard, yet not taking actions. She wanted to be treated as a proper Countess when she let her maid take authority to meddle in their affairs. She let those maids insult her instead of exercising her power over them like a Mistress should. She wanted a successful marriage yet gave up without trying.
    Considering all of the above, I wouldn't have minded Oscar being the ML, IF and only IF, there was not such a big age gap between the current them. Moreover, apart from Riddel being more cheerful as Juliet, I saw no major changes when she sat dumbly as Madeline's maid insulted her, only thinking that the latter was cute. I was really speechless since the little maid accused her of being a schemer who got close to Emilia in order to win Oscar's heart. Does the author forget that it was an era where a female's reputation was important and a small accusation like that could land them in a big trouble?
    Seriously, I'm unsure if I should continue this novel now. But I hope to read the ending as leaving it halfway would make me uncomfortable.
     
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    MC was passive and weak in her past life but at least she doesn't go r*ping anyone because of a strained and failing relationship unlike her shitty husband which IMO makes him worse than MC by far since he crossed the line of irredeemable as their is no excuse for r*pe no matter what (especially to someone you claim to love). ML is unlikable and idiotic, he doesn't deserve to be with MC both in her past and present life. Nothing he does could redeem him at all since if it weren't for the miracle of reincarnation MC would have stayed dead after living a miserable and painful life.

    I agree with everyone, the best and logical outcome for this story would be for MC to move on and start over with a new decent man (around her age) to love and just leave her old one to regret his terrible life choices for the rest of his days.
     
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    It's better to wait until the story complete. Because until chapter 6 (last update dec 12) the ml position still vague.

    Well, don't read this one if you search for romance or fluffy moments. Reading this make me think of japanese novel "My Fiance is in Love with My Little Sister" and korean novel "I don't want to be loved (This one especially when the ml feel jealous and raping the mc)".

    Too much shitty ml not good for your heart! :sushi_sigh:
     
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    Such a horrible story with horrible characters. I regret spending 1 second reading the manga chapters.
     
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    Thank you for the spoilers peeps! It really saves my time. They don't have any common sense in that era ey?  ̄へ ̄
    Such a waste i really like the illustrations. I felt the princess's pain. T_T I just wish that she'll get over with her past and live happily with someone who really knows what love actually is. BUT I FCKNG KNOW IT WON'T HAPPEN SHE'LL SURELY END UP AGAIN WITH THAT DUNG! Good bye!
     
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    Right. Somehow japanese shojou manga is so predictable. He will definitely redeem by the author to push him back with juliette.
     
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    The recent raw novel chapters are about Madeline’s POV from when Riddle was alive. I used Google Translate, so I couldn’t go into details but in of the chapters:

    It seems like Madeline’s dislike towards Riddle is not just because of the fact that Madeline loves Oscar (hence she’s jealous of Riddle who became his wife) but also because of a misunderstanding. When Riddle was alive, Madeline & her maids found a thrown & broken music box. They noticed that the box was a gift that Oscar bought for Riddle. Madeline then assumed that Riddle threw the box, even though Oscar chose it carefully for her. Madeline & her maids were angry since they thought Riddle, a spoiled princess, had trampled on Oscar’s love.

    That’s the latest chapter raw novel chapter I could find.

    I read it on Ncode Syosetu (RAW - used Google Translate).

    Riddle: Main character’s name in the past
    Oscar: Riddle’s husband
    Madeline: Younger sister of Oscar’s best friend. Likes Oscar.
     
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    I really don't enjoy reading this kind of story, this misunderstanding is making me sick
    but I still read spoilers ...... curiosity what it does :cry:
     
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