Cleaning up tags on NU

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  1. Shio

    Shio Moderator Staff Member

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    No, smut is labeled for erotic work of fiction that's mainly targeted toward female. It's different from adult or hentai genre
     
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    (。ŏ_ŏ) better take a note and @Tony can you tweak description later?
     
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    source? it's pure question since I don't really know about genre description~
     
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    same here
     
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    Just because it's aimed towards woman doesn't mean that it's shoujo ai or shounen ai. One example for smut is Midnight Secretary (manga). It has sex scene, but is not a big part of the story.


    If we go by the daily term of smut, yes, the definition is obscene talk, writing, or pictures. But in manga/LN community, the term is used for highly developed stories with love lines and other things that appeal to women that also include a lot of sexually explicit scenes. Can be in comic form, or in written form (as in romance books). (slang)

    Did you perhaps, argued about the smut definition once in MU? I remember reading similar discussion before.

    If you dislike the tag being used for yuri/yaoi novel, I'll check and lock the genre there to prevent the novel being tagged as smut.

    On thing I know for sure: Ero gacha isn't smut.
     
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    ko.jpg go ahead don't mind me
    so one use simple term view definition while other what actually usually applied on community
    no wonder ~
     
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    fellow Midnight Secretary reader +1

    imho, 'smut' should not be taken at face value, in this case, a wiki. instead it should follow 'asean-manga/novel' usage. other example paizuri vs.titjob, trap, shota/loli vs child/young protagonist, lolicon vs paedophilia, and many other *con
     
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    hard to make if that happen I vote lolicon+shotacon just go away~
     
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    This debate won't go every where since our definition of the word isn't the same to begin with.

    I go with the slang/ term used in manga/ anime community. Just because it isn't the 'real' definition, doesn't mean it isn't legit. Any community are bound to have their own slang. E.g fujoshi (rotten girl) term doesn't exist 20-30 years old ago. Does that mean the term only could be used to describe a real rotting girl?
    I am not saying that all female oriented are smut, nor I think that all yuri/yaoi are one. If yuri/yaoi are labeled as smut, then yes, it is a mistake. I will lock them.
    And yes, I have read those title. My reading list is open for public, and it's pretty diverse.


    Edit: since you mentioned aoi/yuri being mistakenly labeled as smut, http://www.novelupdates.com/series-finder/?sf=1&gi=560&sort=abc&order=asc&pg=2 shows that from 4 pages of listed yaoi novel in NU, none are labeled as smut. Same goes to yuri/shounen ai/ shoujo ai novels
     
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    We aren't gonna change our conventions to appease one user. And the mods seem pretty happy with our current set of conventions.
     
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    choco dance.gif good call leave tag aside genre definition is more crucial for future reference choco dance.gif
     
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    I definetely don't know if the said yaoi/yuri titles are smut or not, however, I am certain that below listed titles are not smut.
    X-ray Is More Than I Thought
    Womanizing Mage
    When I Summoned a Succubus Slave, My Sister Is the One That Appeared

    Rose and Lily Field
    Q. Maou-sama no Oshigoto wa? A. Mamono Nusume e no Tanetsuke Desu
    Pure Love ✕ Insult Complex
    Pet Dragon
    Perfect Sex
    Parameter Remote Controller
    Oukoku e Tsuzuku Michi
    Ore no Sekai Kouryakubon!
    My Elder Sister Fell in Love With Me and Transformed Into a Yandere
    Magic Shadow Blade
    Loli Manko
    Kininaru Kanojo wo Totokon Okashi Tsukusu Hanashi
    Bishoujo wo Jouzu ni Nikubenki ni Suru Houhou

     
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    Like Shio said, some terms are not subject to our personal opinions no matter how much they differ from the actual meaning.
     
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    The problem is that smut in this context isn't a slur. The word doesn't have a negative connotation to it at all. Thus it isn't inherently problematic to use it in such a manner, since it isn't offensive. It isn't just yaoi and yuri. And not all yaoi and yuri are smut. It has a definition and connotation in the community that is highly different from yours. I would rather read a smut novel then a novel with merely the adult tag, since smut implies a higher quality to the novel, that it is more than just random sex with a vague/pretty bad plotline which is what a large portion of adult novels with sexual content are.
     
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    That is because you aren't a member of the LN/manga community or at least not very familiar with it. Smut has a positive connotation within it. Just because we use a word differently then you doesn't make our definition any less valid.
     
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    Like Shio said before, your definition of "smut" is wrong. According to your logic, all hentai novels or mangas should be labeled as smut. This is wrong.
     
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    *Sigh* When I think of the word smut, I don't think of it as a bad thing, I think of it as a good thing. So do many others. I don't see anyone on your side here. You have a problem, not the word. And if you can't handle how we use genre and tagging conventions, then I think it might be better for you not to touch them.
     
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    *sigh* Sexual profanity does not mean the novel is smut. Just.....don't touch the smut tag. You don't understand it.
     
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    Look at the below thread I created long ago please.
    http://forum.novelupdates.com/threads/genre-dictionary-page.1449/