Discussion What's up with the irrational hate towards NTR?

Depends on whether MC is the one being NTR'd, or NTRing

 

If you were to do a quick glance through at 90% (made up stat) of the novels listed at NU I bet all of them would be about selfish people doing selfish things. NTR interrupts that process which makes some people really uncomfortable. It's like going to eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich only to learn that some jerk replaced the jelly with mayonnaise.

 

I dont like NTR since im not an emotional masochist. The default state with a loving partner should be love and trust not them emotionally abusing you by being with other people. Also ive never understood the mindset of staying with someone who cheats on you just dump them and move on to a more healthy relationship dont reward betrayal.

 

Omg yess, Finally someone said it!!.
Istg I hate it when someone in the relationship gets jealous of their partner spending time with other people and acts like a child. like for goodness sake they need to tone it down a little, they do not exist for each other only and they have a freaking life. And don't even get me started on the "oh you cheated on me, but ur a good person and I WILL give you another chance". like heck I get it people deserve second chances; BUT I am a firm believer that second chances should not be with the person who you broke their trust with. Like its good you learnt your lesson, but your selfish action caused you to loose me, so "thank you, next..." .

 

ahem excuse my french for one second but ahem NIGGA WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Spoiler: its ok im black i can say it

Being NTR'd is completely different from being fucking abandoned by your parents.

You love that person with your very being. You have sex with them (i hope), wake up next to them (i hope) and you spend most of your day with them (i really fucking hope). If they decide that you are not fulfilling enough so they must have sex with another person hurts a whole lot fucking more then your dad saying "move out by tomorrow". Watching the person you love sleep with another man because she loves him instead of you hurts a whole lot more.

NTR allows for people to find the idea of throwing away someone's love/emotions for sexual gratification as a good thing and I think we can all agree thats fucking horrible.


ngl, I agree with you on the male cheater part though. When the male is the cheater no one fucking cares. They expect the FL/ML to get revenge and show off. But this plays into the true idea of NTR; true degenerate trash.

I will also say this. The only good NTR is the NTR where the wife leaves and cheats on a abusive husband for someone that actually loves her. I'm talking about a husband that beats the shit out of so in turn the neighbor steals her from him and fucks her in front of the husband. Shit like that has a place in my heart because its about a character escaping a extremely horrible place by committing a bad thing that could be seen as good due to circumstances.

 

What's NTR?

 

That basically sums up my view on NTR and netorase. It's a fetish for emotional masochists. What i always wonder, and i've never found an NTR lover who could give a thought out answer, is if an NTR lover found themselves in reality in the position of the cucked protag then would they still love it as much? If yes, well all power to them for their niche. If not, then why? (putting aside the 'oh well, it's fiction and different from reality' which can be a copout answer).

Ah man, plots like that make for the absolute best netori stories.

 

I personally don't like it for personal reasons, one of which, I will admit, was getting cheated on. And the "It just hurts," or "There's this tight feeling in my chest," or "I don't like it" is something that I will say from experience, is a feeling indescribable. Let's see, what the feeling of having some person get ntr-ed on is like the same feeling of having a safe place in which you think you can always come to, but then suddenly, you get stabbed in the back by that. Not to say that a man cheating on a girl is not as hated. One such reason is that in IRL, there's already huge hate for that thing, and in the web novel world, there isn't really a lot of prominent stories that contain that type of action.

But that's my personal reason for why I hate ntr. I don't really know for a lot of other people. Most likely, usually the main character is male, and reading the ntr is like being the victim of the ntr. And, if you're an immersive reader like me, that hurts.

 

As I'm a girl, I generally avoid Harems or the ones where the Male MC was cheating as I completely drop them. While female cheating is also not good I generally sympathize with the woman who is being cheated on and it brings me outrage. I've never read an actual Harem but I've read reverse Harem and I can quite imagine it as long as they don't get to the penetration part like Chitra which I'm currently reading.
Reading is like experiencing emotions to me, while I don't immerse in happy stuff I'm generally more prone to feel the one who is hurt and think from their perspective.

 

It is not irrational. It elicits bad feelings from readers.

You mention abandoned by parents and punted in school. Readers despise these tropes as well. They totally get just as much hate, if not more.

For abandoned by parents/relatives/fiancee for having trash cultivation talent, readers get extremely angry and want the protagonist to show the parents wrong by showing his supreme cultivation talent. Abandoned by clan relatives, aunt, uncle, grandfather, family patriarch, same concept. This gets readers really angry and they want revenge asap. Many reades are tired and bored of the abandoned by clan for trash roots or branch family BS.

For punted in school, isn't this just the roaming rich young masters everywhere? Experienced readers hate that as well. The whole point of some novel is catharsis by beating up infinite numbers of young masters. It totally works and keeps readers reading a trash novel out of anger.

NTR manages to be both abandoned by parents and punted in school at the same time. Wife is a close relative like parents basically, and the rich young master that steals wife is basically punting you in school trope. So this manages to have double the impact.

For your second point, read some female protagonist novels. The playboy characters are portrayed in an extremely negative light. For example, I remember reading in a novel that a playboy character was rumored to have multiple sexually transmitted diseases or another one where she chopped it off for playboy's aggressive advances.

There are plenty of other tags that many readers can't stand in a novel or manga. NTR is just one of them.

For example - yaoi, yuri, guro, amputation, vore, scat, bestiality, necrophilia, cannibalism, etc.

I'm sure you would be disgusted by one of the tags above as well.

Bear vore scene in chapter 151 of Reverend Insanity is pretty graphic, but it would be much worse drawn out in a manga format.

 

NTR is designed to make you upset, and if you don't enjoy being upset you dislike the genre.

There are people you there who be all like "heh, I'm a rad dood who identifies with the cool alpha who steals the girl, I'm so cool", but that's just contrarian coping from people purposefully misunderstanding the intent of the author just to one up people. NTR is there to make you upset, and the big issue aside from it's main purpose is it's usually absolutely horrendously written garbage full of insane leaps of logic and abominable decision making in order to force sad out.

Seriously, NTR is hated for reasons. Very very good ones, and if you like the genre that's ok, some people like anchovies and olives on pizza, too. You can be objectively wrong on a 100% factual level and still be catered to because there's a market for god-awful, tasteless sub-human gutter trash who commit hate crimes upon pizzas.

 

It hurts my feeling

 

Yeah that bear vore scene kinda came out of no where. That's when I understood that this dude wasnt fucking around. I think people dislike it because usually they self insert and you know most people don't usually like getting cucked and it's a minority.

 

I don't understand the point of this thread? Like are you talking about ntr stories like actual ntr stories where the whole focus of the story is the suffering of the MC? How can that be compared to the background setting of a tragic origin? Like epics of the hero throughout history has been of characters have have bad shit happen, usually involving parents dying, and then they overcome it. NTR ain't about overcoming it, ntr is about a character being put into a serious of completely unrealistic tropes where they continue to suffer for no reason.

You can call me a hypocrite if you want, but I typically have no major objections to netori they tend to put in a great deal of effort into making the partners they are being stolen from look awful. It's not my preferred type of story, I prefer no cheating, but netori isn't written to make you feel bad. NTR is written for the specific purpose of making the reader feel bad. I know that are people who claim they just self insert as the winning chad. I don't work that way I suspect those people, if they're not lying of course, have a major personality disorder where they don't feel empathy.

So IRL when people get cheated on there typically isn't a reason they just do it because they can or feel like it whatever. There a few ways people can respond to learning they are cheated on but it typically involves leaving that person. I think the best revenge story I heard was the guy who takes a crappy position intentionally at his job spends more time with the kids and encourages his cheating wife to get a certification for a promotion. She does it makes a lot more money than him and he divorces her, she loses her lover because she is working too much and has to pay him spousal support. That ain't how it goes in ntr stories.

In a ntr story the cuck responds to the situations in a way in which no actual human would. Like a dude comes home early sees his wife getting her back blown out. Doesn't attempt to stop it and just keeps watching. Then goes "oh wow she never let me creampie her" and blows his load on his front door and never confronts her. Do you really not understand how a person could have an issue with that? NTR tropes don't make sense and depend on the characters behaving with negative IQ so not only are they trying to hurt the reader they are driving the reader to rage with shit going on that doesn't make any sense. Like much younger me some 15 years ago stumbled on ntr not knowing what it meant and it fucking traumatized me because there was no reason or excuse for it. I can't even read stories where the authors introduce a love triangle anymore.

 

tututu it seem there alot of hentai reader here cuz most of braindead ntr type indeed major one on hentai which make most ntr hater cry whenever see NTR tag

 

Humans are complicated, and the most difficult thing to manage is our emotions, which mostly dictate our view of the world. The NTR, is only a victim of this sensitization of the world, as it gives a perspective that for most would be considered a nightmare, plus the fact that betrayal is something that has always been feared throughout human history, passing by-laws through religion.

The problem is that people can't seem to separate the fictional from the real, which are two completely different things.

 

NTR is when someone cheats right?

um, most people don't support adultery. If you are going to be with someone else, please divorce/break up first with your partner. The reason why? Because it's wrong to not only your partner, but it's an immoral act in 99% of cultures around the world

 

NTR for me is a genre that shouldn't exist outside of Porn and Hentai. People who read NTR for plot is on the wrong path of literature.

 

Dao of literature contains many paths, none exactly false in its nature.

NTR is a valid plot imo. Just not for everyone.