i really enjoy the "died and got reincarnated as a vilainess in a novel or game i like "novels but sometimes it becomes so repetive and annoying what i hate most is when mc that is the vilainess now - accidently- snatches all the love interests from the original mc and as to not make the readers feel bad she turns out to be a bitch , like c'mon! you think i can't see through that! and you know what author ? you just literaly created another vilainess ! so what was the point in the mc's reincarnation as the vilainess then? i'm happy not all the vilainess novels are like this , like , we got unique fls like "if you touch my brother you're all dead" "or "beware of the villainess" what do you think about this topic ? does it anoy you as well ?
Yep! Pretty god damn much. Like there's no reason from the love Interest to suddenly be interested in them??(except for some that actually state why) Like suddenly seeing the mc their heart flutters~ it gets boring
Trope. The idea behind reincarnating as a (highly disliked) rival character is based on how much a story can change by entirely replacing one single character. Add to that common isekai tropes and a bit ofcultural pride and it should usually devolve into that, it's just a natural conclusion. There are, however, some series that depict the original game's love interests as narcissistic, classist or otherwise dislikeable oce you see the side they don't show to the player, so they become antagonists to the MC (sometimes for the rest of the story, sometimes for the brief time it takes for th MC to just cut ties entirely).
that actuallyi s true but well , you see , the story changes usually make no sense , like , the mc has done literaly nothing for it ,and it judt happened because she is a "kind person" and as for the orignal mc , it makes complete sense for her to become jealous and angry because the current mc stole what's hers
That's the part covered by "cultural pride". Depending on how much the author takes pride on (beautified) "typical" japanese/korean behaviour, how much the character has to work to be liked varies a lot. In the eyes of someone at the extreme, why wouldn't anyone fall in love with a prim, proper and kind japanese/korean person over a spoiled, uncouth foreigner? And those same people would believe that the original lead would have no grounds to be jealous other than her "true ugly personality". There are authors that go for the other extreme (they still glorify the mild-maneredness "expected" of a japanese/korean person but have their MC work for their success), but most fall inbetween and, given how readership and fanbases work, the better part of the popular ones will fall on the other half of the spectrum.
Personally, I'm irked that MC reincarnates into a rich, powerful and beautiful villainess, and all she can think about is how to avoid problems and people. So much potential gone to waste. I know the average girls are like that, but why settle for an average MC. Even if the authors are average themselves, they could try and write an MC who's actually excellent and uses her condition to come up on top of all the dukes and princes without relying on marriage with a man. Make her an actual scheming bitch of a villain who screws over her enemies and gains power and glory. Romance can be secondary, with a man who actually respects her as an equal, no contract marriages or shit like that. Then they can be a power couple sweeping over the kingdom and living a lavish villainous life, whatever that means in those childish settings.
I saw one story on Syosetsu that tried taking a different viewpoint of the "reincarnated as a villainess" trope. Google Translate didn't work well on it so I only skimmed it, but I believe the gist was this: The story is told from the viewpoint of a girl who reincarnated into the heroine. She runs into the villainess, who is also a reincarnated person. Said villainess is trying to avoid all of her death flags and in so doing, made the capture targets fall for her. However where this differs from your typical villainess story is that the villainess ends up essentially trying to kill or imprison the heroine in order to avoid the death flags. I think it's because she either thinks that OGFL will still try to make the story happen (especially as a reincarnated person) and pose a threat or because she's worried about the game mechanics forcing her downfall. In other words, the villainess is approaching this with the mindset of someone who has read all of the villainess stories. It's an intriguing plot concept, that the villain(ess) tries so hard to avoid her fate that she ends up bringing about her own downfall. Something else I'd like to see with some of these stories is for them to take on existing stories with nasty villainesses, especially if the original story was kind of dumb. I remember reading a Chinese comic where the story was all over the place. I noped out when you had someone (teenage girl) fall into instalove with the bodyguard who was always beside the villainess and try to talk him out of dying alongside the villainess. I stopped reading the moment I saw her trying to lower herself down a hole in a basket and figured that it would be great if the author did a redo of the series and gave it a villainess reincarnation twist where she ignores the garbage ML. (Obviously still irritated by this comic.)
I'm fine when the villainess steals all the boys as long as it is written well. I think the charm of villainess genre, is that everyone can change depending on our own choices and actions. I like reading about why someone would take a different route than the first, or follow the journey of revenge. That's not to say, I totally disagree. I agree in part, because lots of times the author uses the villainess genre to cheat and become lazy with new ideas. It becomes really boring and flat at that point. There is a level that is more annoying than when the villainess steals all the love interests. It's when the villainess reincarnates or turns back time, and doesn't change. They (the protagonist) remain the same loser, but somehow just because they chose a different love interest, their life totally turns for the better. Or the villain continues to suffer and continue to do the same thing and remain a loser.
I used to think I want a villain/villainess that would do villain things. But then, I read Your Throne. I went back to cutesy villainess trope.
Every genre/trope (villainess are pretty much a sub-genre of fantasy romance at this point) there are good uses and bad uses, the more popular the more it gets filled with bad uses form bad authors looking to cash in on the reader base.. The amount of "BDSM" (quotations because it is not BDSM by any stretch) mommy porn I ran into on Amazon after a certain book about different hues or the color that is a between white and black took off was disturbing, Of course it does not help that Amazon's algorithm is stupid, Buy a couple books from a non-smut fantasy series with a female lead, amazon recommends other fantasy books with a female lead, click to read description they are (bad) smut, recommendations are filled with more bad smut because I clicked on descriptions to see what the series was about, no purchases but more and more recommendations I do not buy because I have to click to read the description... suffice to say there was a lot there. Like everything else 90+% of stories are hot garbage, but a decent writer withy a decent premiss will be worth the read. To me the biggest issue is that to may of these stories are structured in such a way that the pretty much everyone in the original story was suffering the same symptoms of a lobotomy, they way to often involve engagements based on noble politics, where love is a tertiary concern at best, yet all the politics and inter-family deal are ignored because the "villainess" acted like an insulted noble when she and her family was being blatantly insulted. Or Kings that should be slapping the stupid out of their sons, and ordering them to fix the scandal they are causing immediately (since part of what keep the royalty in power is the value their word as without it you lose allies to help offset the nobles who are plotting to weaken or even overthrow you and risk turning allies into enemies), sitting there doing absolutely nothing. I know it is not like this every time, but way to many have all the politics and background deals that would be going on completely ignored because of "love", when that is not what keeps things running. Only novel I saw this done well was Bakarina, where it is accidental but there is a reason, as in her lovable goof ball ways (as opposed to the grade A idiot B of the original character) she keeps wanting to make people feel better and get over various issues inadvertently says the same things that made the reverse harem heal fall for the OgFL then immediately realize she was quoting the OgFL form the game, combined with her being a very friendly and lovable goofball who they all have years with. But there it really has to do with why the reverse harem fell for the OgFL in the game, it was not just "she is pure and innocent" which we see in so many stories.
The problem with the Villainess genre is that the writers tend not to understand what the genre is and isn't. The most obvious way this problem is revealed is that a lot of these stories are supposedly based on otome games. In theory, there's nothing wrong with this, but in practice these books get stale very quickly. See, the reason why the villainess is able to bully and harass the original protagonist is because she has a lot of influence and other social powers. But otome games don't have any social interactivity so the villainess doesn't have any sort of social influence. The end result is that the villainess doesn't seem to have any real power so the reader ends up questioning how she was ever considered to be a villainess to begin with. An easy way to illustrate this is to compare how the protagonist of random Villainess novels work compared to one who is constructed properly. Look at one of the Villainess novels, "Kenkyo, Kenjitsu" and how important the side characters and the general school populace are, and how much of the story is shaped by the way these people view the different characters. That's how social systems are supposed to work and most Villainess novels end up sucking because they fall far short of this standard. I think that there are two major problems with this idea. The bigger of the two is that it's just not a very good match for the kind of story that the Villainess genre is suited to tell. See, the thing is, it's a pretty silly concept so it only really works well with silly stories. Trying to make it dramatic tends only to bring out how artificial the setup is. Obviously a good writer can overcome this, but story ideas that require a good writer to save aren't all that fertile. The other major problem is that it's just not all that interesting to begin with. A story about someone gaining more and more power and eventually rising to the top is great. But it only really works with underdogs because the process is so unlikely and fraught with obstacles. And Villainesses are villainesses because they start at the very top of society so any rise to power is a lot less exciting by comparison.
My main problem with these stories is that I "usually" find myself wishing that the author had just skipped the whole "transmigrated into a story" part entirely. Mostly because I feel it would be far more interesting to just read about the original "villainess" having an actual change of heart instead of someone just randomly being put in their position. Not that I really expect that most of the authors writing these stories would actually pull off good enough character development either way.
I'd like to see more along those lines. The villainess either rehabilitating herself or, in the case of her receiving overkill punishments, rebuilding herself as a whole, maybe even in another kingdom entirely. Same here, although I do think that there needs to be a point at which the harem stops growing. What made me lose interest in Bakarina was that the harem just keeps expanding with no sign of slowing. No one leaves the harem. Nothing is resolved romantically. It's kind of irritating that unless they're related to her via blood, all of the characters with substantial screen time either want to hurt/kill Katarina or f**k/date her. There are a few exceptions to this rule, of course, but not really all that many. I think the main saving grace here is Katarina's blissful, sometimes deliberate, ignorance, but that can only last for so long. I mean, imagine if she does become queen. She could be ruling over a kingdom where everyone wants to wed and bed her. Sorry, didn't mean to get into a Bakarina rant. It's just that I so badly want to get that same level of enjoyment back that I had towards the beginning of the series.
Usually in those setups, the villainess starts out as a hated protagonist. So there's still an uphill battle to be had. In the end, I'm really more fascinated with villains and antiheroes, especially when the alternative I'm offered is a passive doormat protagonist. So she doesn't have to be evil, but shrewd and scheming to beat her enemies instead of waiting for them to trap her and then struggle in their grasp for the next 100 chapters. Since villains are supposed to be so smart, why can't she, as a villainess also be smart and outsmart the rest. That's all I want. A villainess-like villainess. The novel doesn't need to win a Pulitzer, just be entertaining for once. The usual novels with this setting just frustrate me.
If the villainess is hated from the very beginning then she would be unable to pose a credible threat to the original story's protagonist. To put such characters into context, you should really check out the stories which inspired them: Onnisama E, Glass Mask, and Aim for the Ace. These villainesses attack the protagonists on a social level - by ostracizing them, through bullying, and by creating conflicts. And they usually act because they feel threatened in some way by the newcomers. These simply won't work if everybody hated them so any story that sets them up that way are doing it wrong to begin with.
What I'm puzzled is when people transmigrated as villainess and tend to suddenly act kind, why there's no one doubting them? Imagine if the school bully in your class suddenly become a polite and introverted girl, would you think she become interesting (like most of male lead in novels)? Or would you think that she has some scheme going on, and she's gonna make trouble? Honestly, I don't mind about reverse harem, but in villainess troupe the way those male leads interested in the MC is kinda nonsense. Sometimes they like the MC just because she changed from scheming girl to normal girl that can be seen everywhere lol. If those girls transmigrated as concubines in CN historical novel they would be offline in less than 10 chapters