Spoiler This Marriage Is Bound To Fail, Anyway / 이 결혼은 어차피 망하게 되어있다 / This marriage is bound to sink

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  1. Vallerie_unknown

    Vallerie_unknown Well-Known Member

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    Exactly... I suffer as much as you:blobsob:

    Sometimes I use Papago. But the pronouns in the rough translation sometimes behaved like thugs who confronted me at the end of the road:blobdead:
     
  2. mangosteen

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    Read the spoilers again, this has been spoiled already
     
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    I think you read too fast?

    Anyway, yes they had a son named Luca who has the hair color of his father (flaxen brown hair). It took a long time for Ines to get the son because she was someone with difficulty in pregnancy to begin with, so when she got pregnant with Luca, she really treasured Luca, especially since she had so many miscarriages with Oscar. Ines' father did not killed her son. He did place an order to Luciano to have him killed because what imperial family would want to get a legal mistress with a child of a commoner? Basically they had to kill her son to rid off any connection she had with a commoner. She was going to remarry to an old Count so Oscar can take her as a mistress. Ines overheard the order and killed her son herself before committing suicide.

    As for her marriage with Emiliano. It was somewhat peaceful. She loved him and he loved her a lot. They were married for 4 years (the same 4 years Ines went through her suicidal phase in 4th tl). She encountered him as an assistant painter to the painter who was suppose to paint her portrait for her marriage to Oscar. That night she seduced him and they had sex. They were together in the duchy until she got him to help her run away. They married at a small chapel in the countryside and Ines actually had met Anastasio there because he was the priest who married them. He did warn her at that time that this wasn't her fate but she lost the memory of that and it was a message only intended for Ines so Emiliano didn't hear it. In the beginning of the novel, Ines only thought of his death so she only thought of her guilt towards him.

    In 4th tl, she only slowly realized upon reflecting that even though she loved him, it wasn't a perfect marriage. They did come from very different backgrounds. He was an orphan who became an apprentice to a painter who abused him and used his talent as his own. Ines often missed her brother and tell him about her brother. When he asked her about her family because he doesn't have one, she would tell him how much she loved her brother and thus they named their son Luca after Luciano. Ines also talked a lot about the horse she loved. Her father gifted her a horse when she was young and it had grew up with her. When she ran away she wasn't used to the culture shock coming from a very wealthy background and being a crown princess before to someone in poverty. They sold all the jewelry she had took with her but because she didn't really care for the value of it before, she didn't know the value of them and they didn't get much out of it. Emiliano also wasn't making much from his paintings. He was a runaway painter and selling paintings on the streets. They ended up selling everything until the pendant was the only one left. He had sold the chain before but was holding onto the pendant itself for a very long time because it was Ines' first gift to him during their first night together.

    The day he went to sell the pendant because they really needed money for their newborn son, he went alone to sell it and had actually made plans with Carcel for Carcel to take Ines. Carcel approached Emiliano because he was ordered by Oscar to kill him but couldn't after seeing how much Ines loved her son and Emiliano so he decided to save Emiliano. He was supposed to help Emiliano run away and Ines will meet him afterwards at a safer place. She was waiting for him at the harbor in Sevilla with Luca. Emiliano never came. He was going to tell Carcel to take Ines but then he went back because he wanted to see Ines again and was killed along the way by Luciano and his men. Ines was waiting with her baby when Luciano came to her with her dead husband to get her back home.

    In the 4th tl when Carcel met Emiliano, Emiliano apologized to Carcel for ruining their plan in 3rd tl and Carcel said it didn't matter since it was a plan he doesn't remember (since he has little memory of 3rd tl). Emiliano told Carcel he had always wished Ines would marry a great man like Carcel in 3rd tl so he was glad it happened in 4th tl. He told Carcel not to repeat his own mistake of leaving Ines because Carcel was going to offer divorce so Ines can remarry Emiliano if it meant she can be happy.

    Edit note: The love mentioned here was initially a deluded love of Ines and it's explained that her love for him can be questionable. Author-nim answered more on this later on here and here.
     
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  4. Lurking.Around

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    Thank you so much for answering. I’m gonna buy the novel and read it using mtl
     
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    So I read that the female lead told the male lead that it is ok for him to cheat because she would eventually divorce him in the future. Isn't that a bit pointless? Why would he want to divorce and be looked down upon when he can just be in a marriage and reap the benefits of it whilst seeing other women.

    I think she should have just signed an agreement or something that would allow her to divorce.
     
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    I'm not sure I understand what you mean but she wants the divorce, not him. He had always had it in his head that he would eventually marry Ines one way or another. Also you say reap the benefits of seeing other women while married, he wouldn't have done that. Even if he finds her suffocating, he believes he would get to eventually like her to some degree after marriage and have a respectful relationship with her because of the relationships his grandparents and parents had. He had that sort of view on marriage. He didn't think Ines would ever want to divorce him either because like I mentioned before, divorce is not normal in aristocracy but Ines wanted that because she didn't care for their views on it. So she was plotting to throw him a divorce he can't reject when she gets proof of him cheating during their marriage. She befriended his coworkers and tried to get rumors about Carcel from them but it didn't work out to her favor, and Carcel didn't cheat after marriage so she has no evidence to use against him in court. She eventually ended up liking him back as well, so she just dropped her plans and only confessed to him that she had that plan when she got close enough to open up to him. The divorce wasn't suppose to be mutual. It was suppose to benefit her side more. She's not going to sign an agreement on that because he wouldn't have agreed to it. She was going to secretly get evidence of his cheating to force the divorce.
     
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    Ohh . I thought that she was making him cheat so that he could fall in love with some other woman, and divorce her to be with his mistress. Thanks for the clarification.
     
  8. lucaswhomademeaprincess

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    This honestly I am from kinda conservative country and didn’t have any boyfriend my whole life not because I can’t but I don’t want to, it’s just that I’m the type who thinks that love and sex is not the main thing in life so I don’t get the point when there is someone who can’t live without sex (as it said it is basic need) or have so many lovers. And I didn’t really get bothered if the ml and fl have experiences in sex in the same time line but in this manhwa’s case, only the ml had slept with many women, the fl didn’t. She even described like a nun, it is not fair. And what makes me dissapointed more is I heard before that the ml was being hypnotized by the fl to sleep with many girls, but it turns out that the ml thought fl loves him but he is the one who didn’t love her (at the first chapter) and even he felt guilty after being discovered with the fl while he is kissing with other girl. So in this case, the ml can chose not to sleep around if he really has morality, it's different from when he's hypnotized, he can't choose if that's the case. I am used to see ml who has no desire with girls other than fl, and that’s the reason why I read manhwa because I feel ‘relate’ with those mls, I don’t have any attraction with boys other the one I love at some point, and because I have some feminist thought I feel bothered with the idea of the manhwa’s character when the ml sleep around and the fl keep her purity. It’s so rare to find fl who sleeps around and ml keep his purity, I didn’t even find one just find the fl has an ex and the ex died in the end, she didn’t even slept together (The Elegant Sea of Savagery). Why can’t author make story with fl slept around and ml is virgin, this indirectly gives the idea that it's normal for guys to sleep around with girls, but not for girls. So the problem is not we are obsessed to virgin ml, the problem is almost all of manhwa’s authors are obsessed with fl’s virginity. And yes I know that I’am not the target audience of this manhwa, I don't plan to read it either, maybe I'll only peek at it once if I'm curious, because I don't want to hurt my heart by reading it. I'm really sorry because the illustrations are very good and this can't be on my reading list
     
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    There's no other woman or women. The women he slept with before marriage don't get named or ever show up.
     
  10. NohrNeir

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    I can understand if you don't like ml that had slept around but to say the author cares for fl who is virgin, that's not true. If you know Ines' personality she isn't a virgin because she cares for her virginity cause she doesn't. You also seem to be misunderstanding her "nun" insult. Her being called nun is not because she's a virgin. It's because she wears black all the time. In a country where women likes to dress in colorful clothing, her wearing black makes her look bad. She was also called crow and witch along with "nun". They were all referencing to how she dresses. It's also because she has black hair, something her mother hated. She would keep insulting her daughter for dressing in black while having black hair already and looking all dark and gloomy. She would blame her father for her black hair and wished FL was blonde. As for Ines' personality she would never cheat because she has a very noble personality. Like she would tell Carcel to act proper like a master in front of his servants. When she was getting off the carriage, she would make sure he escorts her properly. She would wash her hands often, very ocd. It's not because she cares for her virginity but because to her, she doesn't like that kind of rumor or gossip surrounding her.
     
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    Is anyone here buy the novel on ridibooks? How do you pass the adult certification?
     
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    This Story is so good as i real spoilers it get more interesting chapter 10 was already surprising to most viewer even myself I was expecting it but not like that, you know because chapter 9 was a very funny chapter and chapter 10 just brought out the dark part like that it was so unexpected but it was interesting and can't wait cuz I know the artist going to keep surprising us I'm so happy for that I never wanted to read more chapter more before. I have a question whenever a new manhaw come out is usually with 20 chapter or am I mistaken but again I don't want to rush the artist I want them to take their time so the art is good but I'm just asking question.
     
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    I think because the artist is new to drawing for manhwa. They're also doing every 10 day releases unlike the typical weekly releases. I don't mind especially with how good their art is. :blobmelt:

    I want to share her Harry Potter AU fanart but my friend who had followed them before they went private mentioned they had tweeted that they noticed her old fanarts being spread so she's not accepting anyone. :blobconfounded:

    But basically the fanart is when they were children getting selected into a house with the sorting hat. Ines went first and automatically got into Slytherin (same as me :blobxd:) and Carcel was sitting watching, thinking that's expected. When he went up to get sorted, he had that moment that HP had where the hat tried to sort him into Slytherin because Ines was there and Carcel kept telling the hat not Slytherin because he didn't want to be with Ines. The hat asked if he was sure and then put him into Hufflepuff. Carcel was happy to be away from Ines and kept glancing at her to try to show off to her that he's happy without her. But she didn't pay any attention to him and was thinking of what to eat. Carcel got his first shock as a kid. Then in last panel as older students, Carcel was giving her a back hug while Ines told him to return to his dorm already because it's time and he was telling her he wished he could turn back time and went with what should've been. Ines was confused since she didn't know he could've been in the same house as her. :blobsweat_2:

    Cropped version of last panel
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    can i ask something ..in the end of the novel after they both died ..and when the scene where they with their children ..is it when they reincarnate again or they went back to the past in 1st TL ??
    (sorry bout my english) hehehhehehehe
     
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    After the death scene (in his dream), Carcel woke up. He was just dreaming of their whole 1st tl. So in the end he was given the full memory of 1st tl. He was waking up to his babies crying in 4th tl. Basically the last volume was almost 90% Carcel's dream of their 1st life, and at the end of the volume, he woke up from his dream and had some fluffier moments before the epilogue ended.
     
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    ahh i see ..thank u very much for explaining for me::bloblove::::bloblove::
     
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    I can't read ch 1,2,3 .....from the link help
     
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    Where to read the novel?
     
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    Do you guys know if Ines will stop wearing only black and modest dresses in the future?Will she loose her hair too?If so,how about people's reaction?
    Nothing against her style,I'm just curious.
     
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    She will. She occasionally still dresses in black early in their marriage to get Carcel not interested in her, but Carcel likes that cause he gets horny imagining stripping her modest look. Her fashion will change when she lives longer in Calztela. She'll dress more light and casual and sunhats since that's the fashion in Calztela. And when she goes hunting with Carcel, he will give her his old hunting outfit. During his promotion ceremony, she will wear a very fancy white dress that was more glamorous than her wedding dress. Her wedding dress was her mother's old wedding dress. Ines didn't want to bother getting a new dress for the wedding and wore the jewelry set from the Escalantes' heirloom. People were shocked to see her during her wedding since it was the first time they saw her beautiful and that's why all the guys tried to dance with her during her wedding and Ines was pretending to be a good host, so she put up a fake friendly face the whole time, while Carcel was being jealous on the sideline.