Comments on Profile Post by Effugium

Then when did you have the right to say I don't have a gender??
Even @Kitsune Alea is on my side, and she is so right since we're not talking about sexuality.

I dunno, but in my language gender and sex are the same thing

No, because right now, we're using english language, it has difference. What you mean is in your vocabulary.
So even if it is, then did you have the right to say I don't have the right to say? *dyu get that? *

then is gender something that's in your soul? u.u
Or you just think you are a certain gender because of hormones? Which... someone who has no body like you wouldn't have

Gender isn't something decided by the society but by the individual her/himself.

babies don't decide their gender tho

gender roles

gender roles??

Because they're are babies. They're too young to think of their gender, what they have is sexuality until they are old enough to judge themselves.

You just tripped yourself when you said gender, should've said sexuality.
They said ignorance is bliss, it's not.

Am I right @Kitsune Alea ??

then the thing they decide to become would be what their parents raise them to be and also what they think the society wants them to be. for example they likes to play with dolls even tho they are a boy, then they will believe that their gender is female because females like to play with dolls. but for me personally, i think they are male that behaves like what society decides to be a female.

I sometimes wonder if some ancient humans also do something that their opposite genders do, did some ancient male humans cook, farm, etc? did some ancient female humans hunt?

isn't sexuality about whether you are straight, gay, bi, etc??

No, you got it all wrong. Gender is defined whether you are a male or female by your 'actions'. So the decision is by an andividual. It's not about how society views you to be.
If a ancient male wants to cook, then he can cook but still be a male gender if he wants to. If female wants to hunt, then she can hunt but can still be a female if she wants to.
It's within a person what she wants to be.

And corrections, ancient males farm. Those are what we call farmers.

Gender roles probably developed because of biology. A woman probably ended up with the homemaker role because the woman gives birth. Since the woman will have to stay home to give birth, and be the one to nurse the child, it became convenient for the woman to assume all the responsibilities for homemaking as well.

Amd you just said it in your former comment, males are gender females if they believe they are.

Oh really? i thought ancient males hunt and ancient female take care of children, cook, and farm...

Yeah decided by your action, and whether that action is more in line with female action or male action is decided by what the society's standard... in the end the males that say they identify as female say that because they are male that acts like a female according to society and vice versa. without society setting that kind of standard there won't be this whole gender thing

ancient humans didn't farm...

they don't? the ancient human that already made settlement or sth?

depends how you classify them. But at first, we were more gather/hunters.

Depending on how ancient your descriptiom of humans to be. I thought we're already on the farming era.

depends on the civilization. I'm pretty sure the Mesopotamians developed agriculture quite early compared to others

And effy, just search the difference of gender and sexuality. It's already set in stones, we don't need to argue about this. There are better things to arugue about.. XD

I love social science subject before, but why did I forget about society evolution when I clearly listened to it.
I am so dissapointed in myself.

like whether this is an argument or not~

Hmph hmph! They are the same!

Effy you're so stubborn!!!!! You're hopelss, you're not willing to accept the truth. How are you going to grow then??

But that's how i am raised! Since in my country sex and gender are the same thing, ofc i will think that way u.u

Anyway, someone without a body can't be a male!!

male and female isn't determined by the body's appearance...

My thinking is not as advanced

there there

You need to understand rhings you don't know and not to be too persistent of things you believe that was already set in stone in regards to vocabulary.

Kitsune is right (gender).

Ehh, i do understand, i am just raising my doubts...

So what's the point of separating gender and sex? Also why is genderbender called genderbender and not aexbender because in the end it's your physical body that change, not the way you identify yourself...

gender and sex are seperated cause they refer to different things. Society in general tends to confuse gender as meaning the same thing as sex, hence misleading terms

I still think they should just be the same, i see no point in separating them

gender is how you view yourself, sex is the body you have.

Yeah... But what's the point of separating them?

you break you arm. It's broken, but your doctor says your fine.
right now, you're the doctor saying there's nothing wrong

No, wrong...
you break your arm. it's broken. you tell yourself that your arm isn't broken. that's what gender is to sex.... sex is your sexual organ which in this case is your broken arm, gender is how you view yourself which is what you tell yourself...

either way, you're the guy saying the arm isn't broken even though it's no longer attached to your body

ehh?? *looks at arm*
gasps!! When did i lose my arm?!

Oh I see. This was what you were talking about~

Yeah. You see how stubborn he is???

*nod nod*

No, i am not stubborn. I am just very firm~

He's so firmly stubborn