Resolved A means to break through said universe X dimensional interference?

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Is this method plausible for invading X?

  1. Plausible for now.

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  2. Not plausible.

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  1. Lazriser

    Lazriser Well-Known Member

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    The wall is not unreachable, but it serves to maintain the universe's fundamental laws itself. This keeps the overall structure of X (universe) existent. These invisible walls cannot completely block against mental interference from the cosmic invader due to the invader already having a winning streak of devouring other universes. Obviously, it does not seek to destroy but devour X, because if it were destruction, then the cosmic invader can just annihilate X back in to cosmic particles without sentience.
    All universes are connected with a point of reference or a point of inference but neither can interfere with each other due each universe having invisible walls. Gateways don't work with invisible walls and it can only passed through by permission or internal discord inside the universe's invisible walls.
     
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    Lazriser Well-Known Member

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    Nice, but they don't follow similar laws at all. Only the point of reference is the same which X' Earth. Invader came from Y' Earth for example, and can only invade from X' Earth point of inference. The invader is meticulous in slightly altering the fates of a handful of X's natives. In-universe has different laws but out-universe (an existent plane outside the universe;a void) has all the same laws.
     
  3. Karma

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    your invader cannot attack the walls of the universe according to ur rules.
    This is because these walls are part of universe X which the invader cannot attack/affect.
    If the invader can attack these walls then that means he already has the power to invade universe X

    If the invader's presence is there but the universe doesnt accept its presence then it equates to it not being able to do anything to the universe.
    There is almost no possible way to distort the universe enough with merely ants like i said before.
    Following this if they somehow do that even though it is impossible admin/creator of X can easily change the laws within X and negate this catastrophic event in a matter of seconds because entities this powerful can do that easily.
     
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    I think black holes and super novas mightbbe able to breach the universe x barrier, at least temporarily .
     
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    So what you are saying is the out-universe is the parent universe and all the inner-universes have the same laws as the out-universe but more limited and different but still within the laws of the outer-universe. By breaking the bonds of inner-universe X to the outer-universe allows for interference from the outer-universe and changing of laws to those of inner-universe Y since that is already within the laws of the originating outer-universe?

    That said, interfering with the laws of the universe would most likely lead to the collapse of the universe before the new laws can be implemented. Imagine gravity suddenly stopped working properly, the butterfly effect would destroy everything. You can't isolate the laws of the universe to a particular area unless you somehow create another inner universe within the inner-universe.
     
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    When I meant by a gateway is that the cosmic entity and one of the residents connect to it tries to punch a hole through this invisible wall of yours from both sides. Which should create a temporary gap or crack in the invisible wall that can be exploited and allow the cosmic invader to brute force its way through.
     
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  7. pirateking36

    pirateking36 [[-Worst King-]]

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    So basically a 35+ year old virgin?
     
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    so a kind of M-theory?
     
  9. Lazriser

    Lazriser Well-Known Member

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    Invader wants to physically manifest itself in X' Earth first, then revert back to its metaphysical state, then simply devour X from Earth till the boundaries of X's invisible walls. Devouring can only happen if physical manifestation is complete and metaphysical comes right after physical manifestation. Basically its like casting spell in games, where a spell has to be cast in a certain duration before it could be fired at a target or area. If casting is complete then devouring begins, therefore X is devoured and if casting is interfered, then restart casting which would mean X survive.

    Spiritual and material interference have different means toward the universe. Invader can only slightly spiritually interfere with the memories of a lower level sentient being and from there, nurture said being to level where it can cast long enough for the spell complete. Invader cannot force the lower level sentient being, because it would alert X's will and it will destroy the traitor or threat of X's walls.
    Close enough but enough time for manifestation.
    Bingo! Except said natives influenced by the invader can only have such power or means of breaking in a cataclysmic crisis where the fundamentals laws are temporarily twisted to the invader's advantage.
     
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    The admin of the universe X itself might cause a cataclysm to destroy everything and start from scratch to prevent invaders....kinda like how we format our computers in case of excessive virus infection. *shrugs* thats the best that comes to mind.
     
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    If it is cataclysmic event then the invader don't need to control to many people just get someone to pull the trigger of a nuclear war or cause one of the super volcano on earth to erupt by disturbing its magma chamber enough.

    Which can all be done by just controlling people of the USA government.
     
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    I don't know about the age :blobwhistle::blobwhistle: but only an arch-wizard can solve anything with EXPLOSION!!!!
    A certain arch-wizard girl is the proof. :blob_grin::blob_grin:
     
  13. Lazriser

    Lazriser Well-Known Member

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    I have no idea what that is, but I'll read it later when I have the time. I'm currently replying and thanks for linking new info to me.
    Unfortunately, that would mean suicide. X's will (admin/creator) can only rewrite the fundamental laws of its universe but the walls remain the same, but the lesser the space within the walls; it will become more easier for the invader to break these walls from the outside. Devouring a universe means more authority and dominant space, not power. Unless X itself wants to kill itself rather than being devour by the invader (growing universe), then such a scenario is almost impossible. If scenario happens, then the invader will either give up its invasion or destroy X.
    This is possible. Think of it the realities within realities theme used in light novels or anime. This is where I'm basing the power output of each resident in X. The means are different but the overall output is the same in X. Native-invaders are also restricted with the same means with the natives.
    Nuclear war is not enough. It should an event strong enough to breach or crack the invisible walls inside X. Once again, invader cannot control X natives, only tempt or trick them. Only after successful invasion, meaning complete physical manifestation will invader revert back to metaphysical state and devour X completely. This will increase the space and layers of the invisible walls of the invader since invader is a universe itself (except its a paradoxical singularity). This is the only invader of the outer-verse which is the antithesis of all creation.
     
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    If the invader can spiritually affect a lower being's mind it still wouldn't do enough. you could say to make a black hole or something but this would alert the admin/creator before this incident gathers enough traction to even crack the walls to allow the invader to invade.

    now lets say that X successfully invades. then it manifests a physical body. does it need this physical body to survive/generate its metaphysical body? if so then admin/creater can destroy the invaders body before it can successfully turn metaphysical/invincible. if it cant even be invincible within the metaphysical state then it can be attacked by admin/create while trying to devour the universe.

    About the modification of memories of a lower universal being/mortal. As i said before it doesnt do much. not even when you have an entire religion of people following you. but if it even came to that point it still wouldnt work because they would be eliminated for being a religion of an invader by the admin/creator.

    Even a hidden singular being cant do anything. This being cant actually build/make/do anything that would affect the fundamental laws of the universe without alerting the admin in some manner. this is because the admin would most likely have an ability like "spiritual will/sense" that xianxia stories have and any attempt to create such a machine/thing powerful enough to affect fundamental laws would be destroyed.
     
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    If Nuclear War isn't enough how strong does the event have to be? On the level of WWII or one of the 6 mass extinction of earth history?

    Also if it is tempt or trick people is more then enough if it can trick others into believing that it is the voice of god.
     
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    I'm thinking of it as something like a door in a house (one universe is on one side, inside the house, and the other universe is on the other side, outside of the house.) As long as the force hitting the door (the disturbance) is strong enough, it doesn't matter which way the energy is coming from (inside or outside the house.) Sure, it's easier to break the door from one side than it is to break it from the other side, but unless the amount of energy required for this entity to break into the other universe is impossible to acquire in his universe, then he could destroy his universe and use that energy to get into the other universe (or any universe that is connected to his.)

    But this is a really simple way of looking at the problem.
     
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    You have good reasons to say my scenario is wrong, but here's the answer to your doubts.
    1. X is a regular universe, or Throne. It cannot sense the mental (spiritual) interference from this invader, because the invader is a higher Throne that had already devoured other regular Thrones.
    2. Invader will not modify the memories of a lower-level native, but rather give native a limit break. Of course invader will be meticulous in its means to hide its native-invader from the administrator/creators sight. Don't forget there are also other sentient beings (natives who go against X) without the help of the invader. I mean, even the invader has its own natives trying to kill it from the inside.
    3. The natives can fight for themselves when their power levels are strong enough to interfere with the invisible walls, but X will attempt to dissolve the fight before the crisis happens. Unfortunately, X cannot, because X is preoccupied with the invader's outer attacks.
    4. If physical manifestation is in process (still casting), then X can attempt to stop the casting, but remember, the invader is now both in and out X's walls. So X's focus is completely the on the outer walls and the inner walls of X must be defended with X's natives (assuming native is supported by X's power or natives becomes a singularity as well).
     
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    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

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    *gasps* What if the other party is actually @Pray Alpha just wishing to get your attention!?
     
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    It should a cataclysmic crisis involving a universal balance becoming unbalance. Nuclear war only affects the planet, not the universe. It should be something like at least an apocalyptic event which would affect the fundamental laws of X, which would temporarily weaken X's walls. Nuclear or extinction doesn't change the fundamental laws of X.
    X (admin) and Y (invader).
    X' wants to survive and Y doesn't want to destroy X but devour X, therefore Y = (X' + X'' + ... + X^k).
    Y cannot break X's walls unless X's destroy or rewrite its fundamental laws in the exact moment when its defending from Y's outer attacks. This leads to Y going inside X and devouring X from the inside, only when the requirements are fulfilled. Y is dependent on X natives and the natives are limited only on X' Earth since this is Y's constraint. If Y cannot manifest itself inside X, then Y will simply search for another universe to devour, since the function of Y is to devour, not destroy.
     
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    1. ok

    2. this scenario of natives trying to kill X doesnt work. this is because X would have eliminated these natives to prevent this event from actually occuring because of the invader starting to attack X's walls. and X also has the "spiritual will" thing so can find out anything happening anyways

    3. X already killed the powerful ones as stated ^

    4. this bit sorta doesnt make sense. If invader can be within and outside of the walls simultaneously then X can also be in 2 places at once/focus on 2 different things at once with full power. This is because if not Invader would definitely have way more power than X and would be able to destroy the walls of X .

    explanation for killing natives with enough power.

    The reason that X will kill all hostile/even not hostile natives with enough power is that to defend your castle you must secure your castle. There are always spies and betrayers. X as a powerful being/entity would obviously know this and would eliminate any occurrences. you cant say that some people can magically hide like a main character from a book because this is a different power level we are talking about here. X is a universe controller and native with enough power is merely a mortal with some power. The difference in power is too great for these natives to even compare but they "might" cause some effects and so X would wipe them all out rather than let anything happen.