Spoiler A Stepmother's Märchen

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  1. KindapitiedMielle

    KindapitiedMielle Member

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    That's just so sad :cry: does he get found out in this time line or change? I can't imagine how the maid and the butler would've reacted to Shuli's death in such a horrid way :blobconfounded:
     
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    Chapter 59 is out. It's revealed that, unlike in the novel, the knight that Shuli trusted was not in part with her assassination. Instead, he tried to catch up to her because he thought he was being too harsh on Shuli days prior. However, when he arrived at the site, he found his two friends dead and when he checked on the carriage where Shuli was supposed to be in, he was horrified. Dunno if this is a change made in the manhwa, but Albert or whoever his name is was not a killer. He disapproved of Shuli, but not as far as wanting to kill her.

    https://mangahub.io/chapter/a-stepmother-s-m-rchen/chapter-59
     
  3. Eivuri

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    So the spoiler here regarding about him being involved in the death was different from the manhwa? I also got confused because in the manhwa it seems that he was not involved in Shuli's death.
     
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    I think in the manhwa, his past mistake was feeding information to this priest (the one who has short blond hair and tiny pupil) who is the creepy priest minion. He was friends with him sometime drinks and told him about Shulli actions.
    And when he want to talk to Shulli everything was too late. You can see him in episode 58 talking with the knight.
     
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    Honestly, I think most if not all the manhwa changes from this series have been great! Shuli confronting her family as opposed to the novel where Nora apparently intervened to help her, now this. The knight being a semi-decent character even in first TL. Ofc, he'd be disappointed with TL1Shuli's actions but the fact that he served her for 7 years would mean he at least knows the reason WHY she had to do what she had to do. Him in the novel being the probable candidate in assassinating her while fitting for his "for the late marchioness and the family's image above all else" character, again that level of hatred is nearly unbelievable when last chapter implied the kids eventually warmed up to her (especially for the case of Elias whose main worry was being abandoned. The fact Shuli stayed with them for 7 years bearing all their verbal sh*t would most likely win him over. Rachel and Leon grew up and has been with her on their developmental years) but for 7 years had terrible communication
     
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    The latest manga chapter(59) was soooooo muchhhh. I HAVE TO KNOW:
    How did the kids react to shulis death???
    Is the novel done?
    What chapter of the novel is this manga chapter on?

    assist me Nobel readers
     
  7. Viole1369

    Viole1369 Immortal Ero

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    So the novel spoilers were false or the manhwa changing the novel to be more friendly/digestive?
    Because having Head Knight be murderer and getting away scoff free is jimmie rustling and that is why manhwa changed it?

    Further more changes as novel implied Nora and Police force found her body on the wedding night as compared to whatever day it is early morning.

    Still doesn't change the fact that he is 30% responsible for her murder, because if it wasn't for his dumbass blabbering about such a sensitive/secret matter or having such terrible friends, shulli would have survived regardless because no one could ever know of her departure.


    And here is hoping it does not change much stuff beyond this, because it is changing whole of characters characterization/affiliations/motives which defo doesn't ring a good bell.
     
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    Oh come on. In the manwha at least, the worst he did was bitch to a friend about his boss. If everyone who did that inadvertently triggered a murder, this planet wouldn't have any problems with over-population.
     
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    Viole1369 Immortal Ero

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    He isn't an office employee rofl nor a low knight, He is the HEAD KNIGHT of Marques Household, The man responsible for security of whole the household and he blurted out secret of Marchioness the defacto head of the house to a person unrelated to them 100% of his own violation.

    Or you think Head of Military of a nation should casually go and tell high position people from another countries of what their country head is planning to do in secret?

    HD did utterly irresponsible thing and he is to be blamed, this was not a casual bitching, He told a party from third faction what time head of the family would leave, to what place and with how many guards. Thats fucking treason.
     
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    Likewise, Shuli isn't the head of a nation or a politically crucial player. She was the temporary head of an admittedly powerful family who was hours away from losing all authority and political relevance. Nor were her movements a state secret. If anything, the fact that she was going to go to that villa was either pretty common knowledge or widely expected. She didn't want the kids to know when she was leaving because she wanted to avoid awkwardness, not because these were secret movements on her part. Nor was there any particular reason to believe that she was in danger. Given how startled the cardinals were by Richelieu's suggestion, Shuli clearly hadn't been a repeat target for assassination from the Church. Nor did the head knight go and blurt out that information in some shady tavern filled with thugs: he was on the grounds of the mansion talking to a trusted member of the clergy. So no, in no conceivable way did he commit anything remotely resembling treason. It turned out to be a really unfortunate mistake, yes, but the blame for her death falls squarely and only on those who actively took part in planning and carrying out her murder.
     
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    You are doing completely unreasonable white knighting of Head Knights actions rofl.
    Hours away or not, does not matter, Shulli was the head of family of the empires one of strongest family who had enough power to thwart church by themselves and when shulli told him, there were still DAYS to wedding.

    The knowledge of her going was not common knowledge, Everyone in empire EXPECTED her to attend wedding. The only expectations were post marriage leaving. It is not matter of just time.

    A head of one of biggest family is to pass in forest full of bandits and that was no reason to believe she would be in danger? lol sure.

    Is the head knight employed by church that he can spill the secrets of Marquess household to them? Does not matter where and who he told, IT WAS HIS JOB TO KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT.

    Again, stop equating this to normal back talking, this is chief of security of a Marquess household who holds power equivalent to dukedoms who is ratting out information about the head of household whatever the fuck his intentions are, furthermore the Church admits to have conflicts with them as shulli continuously thwarted their efforts to take over marquess household. As the Head Knight is he that fucking incompetent that he can't know what goes behind scenes and who is trying to harm their house?

    Pretty bad at his fucking job regardless. And yes even in modern laws, he would be charged as an accomplice to murder
    He informed a third party who had conflict with their household about the
    - Departure of the Head
    - Destination of the Head
    - Date and Time of the Head
    and even the
    - Fucking Extent of Security Cover and name of the Guards who would accompany her rofl.

    It was only due to last information they knew how many men exactly of what caliber they had to send to murder them successfully and then brutally kill shulli.

    Don't try to whitewash a black kettle.


    And this will be last reply unless you bother to bring a new point except downplaying the relevance of the information he told or the party he informed to,
     
  12. glitter89

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    In the first timeline, Jeremy remained indifferent to Shuli but he still loved her platonically correct? Like when he saw her dead body and mourned her death?

    However, in the seocnd timeline, for sure, he loved her romantically right? I know he ends up with someone named Diane and Shuli ends up with Nora but he did truly love her right? It was only due to the fact she was legally his step-mom, he never pursued her.

    Also Shuli is 2 years older than Nora and Jeremy yes?
    Thank you!
     
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    I feel like a lot of the hatred is stemming from the fact that we’re all viewing the story from a modern prospective, which the characters largely don’t have.

    The Noble society is built on the idea that nothing is more important than the honor (talking public honor, not actual honor) and prestige of the family. Which does not equate to the wellbeing of the individual members of said family. Historically honor killings used to be a thing and plenty of women were disowned and punished for being molested. We’re looking at Shuli tanking her reputation to safeguard the children and seeing it as an understandable, even noble, choice. But for the people raised in that society, if having to choose between the well-being of the family members or the honor of the family, screw your kids/siblings/whoever. It’s a necessary sacrifice for the good of the family. They’d be selfish not to lay themselves down to be sacrificed.

    With the church, obviously the nobles can recognize that they’re just a political entity who as a whole are less righteous than the norm. But for most everyone else the church is the voice of god. Obviously some of the members are corrupt, but they must be in the minority. Surely God would not let the church as a whole act against His will. So basically you’ve got those who aren’t really religious who know most of what the church says/does is bs, while those who are devout don’t really have the concept of the church and god possibly being completely unrelated, at least so long as the church puts on a token show of doing god’s will. Being able to distance your faith from the words/actions of the leaders of your faith is a pretty new thing.

    Just as a last bit with Nora’s dad, we as modern viewers we know that stern tough love is BS when raising a kid. But people genuinely used to think the opposite. There are records of doctors’ pamphlets that basically said the complete opposite, that you’re a bad parent if you don’t smack your kid around.

    The thing is, the novel/manga is on our side. It’s showing us the mindsets of all those above, and showing us that it’s all wrong. And we’re given a protagonist who is dismantling it (at least to some degree) and spreading this new awareness.
    Shuli is just in a unique set of circumstances where she isn’t falling into these mindsets. Her family’s so far on the fringes of noble society they’re basically commoners, so she was never indoctrinated into that honor and prestige before all else mindset. She has the intelligence and insight to recognize that, though she herself believes in God and his teachings, these people (the church) certainly don’t speak for Him. And because her family is such trash she is desperate for a loving supportive family. She gave up so much in the 1st timeline and it seems to all be just because Johannes was the 1st and only person to take a real interest in her thoughts and wishes and propped her up. She has the empathy and insight to recognize how the duke’s handling of Nora is screwing him up, and just genuinely cares about the happiness and wellbeing of those in her circle over other concerns.

    If you’re reading for the satisfaction of seeing all those who behaved wrongly in the 1st timeline get punished then you’re going to be disappointed. There’s a few tidbits for the truly unredeemable, but for the most part retribution doesn’t rain down. The story really seems to be focused on the people in the 2nd timeline realizing ‘wait, this is BS, isn’t it’. ‘This isn’t God’s will, this Cardinal is just a creep looking for secular gains’, ‘Just because it’s for the family’ honor and prestige doesn’t make these horrible things we’re doing that harm others and even ourselves honorable acts’, etc. It’s basically everyone managing to overcome lifelong gaslighting.
    And I’m down for that. If you want a vengeance story, it’s best to go elsewhere.


    *** when I mention family honor, I should probably be saying status. I feel like there is a lack of language and there should be 2 different ‘honor’s. Actual honor: being honest, protecting the weak, being just, etc. Family status honor: kids married in such a way to gain political or monetary ties, publicly punishing or banishing any members who make them look bad even if they’re clearly a victim, gaining power even if you have to be underhanded, etc.
     
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    Where can I read the novel, other than in kakaopage?
     
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    Okay, so I recently caught up with the manhwa and apparently, there has been quite a lot of changes. Regarding Shuli’s death, Abington, the head knight, was the one responsible for it in the novel. This is true and is even mentioned on the Korean wiki page for those who want to go verify it for themselves.

    It seems like the author has changed the roles of some of the characters. Some examples:
    • In the chapter when Jeremy goes hunting with Theobald while Shuli’s mother and brother comes to visit her, along with Nora. In the novel, Nora actually returns to the Neuvanstein mansion again after Jeremy and Theo comes back from their hunt. This part was cut from the manhwa.
    • In the scene where Shuli meets Nora in the snow garden before the trial, Nora had bruises on his face in the novel where he didn't in the manhwa. I'm not sure why they cut this out since it was important to their development because Shuli notices the physical abuse. He even ask Shuli if she wants to run away with him, though it was a joke...or maybe not? They had more dialogues in the novel.
    • As for the trial, Jeremy's aunt and uncle helped Shuli but in the novel, the aunt attended the trial and was making remarks towards Shuli. I don't even remember the uncle showing up in the novel.
    • The family trip was a lot longer and a more detailed in the novel. There were a couple of more moments with Shuli-Nora-Jeremy. There was even a cute moment with Shuli and Rachael bonding in the hot springs. Unfortunately, all of these were also cut from the manhwa.
    There's actually more but I can't remember it from the top of my head right now. So far, the plot and story is still going in the same direction as the novel but some of the characters have had significant changes and development. The author can pull a WMMAP anytime so just a heads up.

    As of right now, we’re on the first part of the first timeline. I have no idea if the past timeline arc will be broken up into multiple sections like the novel or if we’re going to get one big arc. If the manhwa is following the order in the novel, then the next part should be the three year timeskip where we have Shuli’s last birthday as a teenager.
     
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    Personally, I'm hoping the first timeline arc is just one big one. I don't think it'd really work that well in the Manhwa if they split it up, it'd just feel discombobulated.
     
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