Spoiler About Ascendance of a Bookworm

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  1. raremonkey

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    also want to thank YumenoJigen for the drama cd translation here
     
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    I think sensei is very smart. She's really thinking hard and has wide grasp of every characters in her story.
    From her tweet https://twitter.com/miyakazuki01/status/1583657814215380992?s=20&t=upnBSIHMlmsFWTNd-rLCXw
    She's not only taking count of how Georgine's education teaches herself but also the consequences to her own children. When she becomes a mother herself and all those might change with her marriage's partner, whether she's a first wife or third wife will change the children's education.
     
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    I know that I already got some answers for the question 'Does Myne suffers and struggles way too much as an Isekai Heroine compared to the Male Isekai Heroes?'....
    While people have pointed out to me that she is actually very fortunate compared to the other commoners or specific aristocratic characters in this fantasy world, it still makes me very very angry mad that any noble or a royal can easily attack her due to her humble low class origin, constitution AND she can't help but beg for her life.:mad:

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    Manga Chapter 35 in 'Honzuki no Gekokujou ~Shisho ni Naru Tame ni wa Shudan wo Erandeiraremasen~ Dai 2-bu' was really hard to watch. In Ch36 fortunately Ferdinand and Karstedt saved her before that shameless classist knight Schittkoser who was supposed to protect her during a mission can sadistically gouge out her eyes. But he did cut her hand with his knife which resulted in toronbe sprouts starting to wrap around her because they react to her blood.

    https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/h...iko_ni_naru/nbt/nhs_v-7-chapter-1413749/pg-1/
    https://mangabubu.com/本好きの下剋上-第二部-本のためなら巫女になる-41/
     
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    You - as a reader - being pissed at Shikikoza (small-fry-knight) was the goal of that scene; you - as a reader - generalizing all of the nobles by Ehrenfests Veronica fraction standard was not.
    We only see a limited slice of the world of Bookwerse through an unreliable narrator. We can formulate opinions, but generalizing it is like saying all "humans" are wrong because there are a few bad apples around.

    Inequality is not something that is without reason in Bookwese: nobles can live without commoners even if they got inconvenienced slightly (meaning: laynobles will have to work the lands); commoners, on the other hand, can not live (and by that, I mean they wouldn't have food on the table for the land will turn back into white sand, and the first feybeast would rip them apart) in that world without the mana of the nobles.

    Genuine question: If it shakes you up this much, why on earth are you reading it?
     
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    I think in addition to that, it generally only applies to the country of Jurgensmidth since the other countries have other means to live even without mana.
     
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    I just was in the mood of giving AoaB a shot again despite having mixed feelings about Myne being often in life threathening situations, getting unwillingly swept up constantly in political power struggles and Disliking the Shipping/Pairing of her & her guardian 13 years older Ferdinand who has been watching over her growing up since she was 7 years old......
    This story has clearly an interesting world building, creative ideas, something grounded and you don't see often a regular girl from the modern world getting reincarnated as an ambitious clever commoner with health issues.

    But after reading and researching the manga chapters, novel spoilers and wikia again, I came to the personal conclusion that I am not that compatible enough with the characters/writing/plot. It is still a well made story, of course. (y)

    And about me generalizing things: It is still a fact that Rozemyne being of commoner birth has to hide and erased her background so that other nobles cannot easily touch her. And with the help of the kindly NotLikeOtherAristocrats gets adopted by Archnoble Karstedt to survive and to read high class quality books.
    Also, the commoners relying on nobles or the Church with mana for any kind of protection... They have to in the first place because that Monopoly System denies them affordable or free access to curing mana disease on their own and creating their own community/institution of commoners controlling/using mana efficiently to their advantage!

    I think because I grew as a German Citizen with the Aufklärung/Sturm & Drang (Age of Enlightenment) Philisophy, watched the YouTube videos 'Abolish the Monarchy! - A response to CGP Grey by Shaun' + 'The media's obsession with the Royal Family is SO. VERY. WEIRD. by Tara Mookness and reading THIS ISEKAI MAID IS FORMING AN UNION by Frostlight Comics that I became more critical & sensitive about the aristocratic + royal hierachy system.
    Still enjoy specific stories involving nobles/royals like:
    BEWARE OF THE VILLAINESS + THE MONSTER DUCHESS + THE ANTAGONIST'S PET + KINGDOM OF THE QUEEN ;)

    Thanks for giving me your honest feedback.
     
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    saix2 I'm seeing things

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    There are implied stories (not confirmed yet) that people outside are in Harder mode. (Slavery, Uncontrolled Natural Calamities, Ongoing Wars).

    Slavery - when we talk about this, this includes how they treat every individual specially women. What was implied on this?

    From the eyes of Ferdinand:
    Uneven skin toned for other workers/commoners. Shit treatment for Women. Women both commoner and aristocrat being held captive to shipped to Lanzenve. Hence why Leonzo said to Letitia you will be loved by all once she get there.

    Uncontrolled Natural Calamities - this meant you don't have control on food output production. Hence why the outside Royals needed schtappe. The people outside already made anti-magic devices so they can control the foreign Royals. Then why didn't they deposed them if they can revolt? Becoz they needed something from them. Mana fertilizer.

    From Rozmyne half hearted research:/added bonus Georgene PoV

    Ongoing Outside Wars - This was made evident on stories from Kirnberga/Bosen Geites. How they once a flourish town, how Hadenzel had ongoing requests for metal products. How outside politicians attempt to seduce Eisenrich to oust the current Royals back then. Trade merchants from outside, mercenary work applied by devourers (I'm actually surprised to know that there are devourers you can't control and sell their services) Possible Spying. Uncontrolled exports of low quality mana stone established by small shops.

    Just when I think the author is finish fleshing out Bookworm (sequel or no sequel) world she suddenly throws you with new info.

    Ongoing theory about devourers with no masters - there is a possibility that they are from Bindewalds who gone rogue solo. Possible the moment he died the rings might have been broken. Ahrensbach back then, their border gates were open, there was also possibility that the silver cloth originally debut during part 2's timeline. From Otto's PoV there is still implied resentment from the descendants of foreign merchants.

    Back in the day 10k years ago before Yurgenschmidt was established Mana People are being purged to death. But its different now, they are being harvested as trained soldiers, as mana fertilizers/battery, as mana stone factory. The preview of the magic and non-magic tools they showed during the raid on AdalGiza, another tip of the ice berg.

    Is it fine for Egrantine as Zent to open the other border gates for now? What do you guys think? We know Ferdinand is aware and will not open Alexandria just to established trade outside. You think this will be wise to do now if you are Egrantine?

    I feel really sad if author just left this opened Pandora's box as is.
     
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  9. Neuthue

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    As stated in FB's (6-and 7), Joghurt is in an entirely different world - those gates are like dimensional gates; imagine stargate.
    The whole country is in a pocket dimension established to be a safe haven for those with mana, who are persecuted outside and at best used as energy sources if not lab rats. The outside world would pillage Joghurt in a blink just for the mana stones the nobles/devourers turn into upon death (Lanzenave) or the magic metals (Bosegeist) - and we do not know the others...

    There is a theory that the commoners came to this land from those gates and ended up stranded here, accumulated a trace amount of mana while adapting to the new world, but cannot generate it on their own. EDIT: Otto also states some of this when recounting the travelling merchants' origin.

    You got spoiled in the wrong way. No grooming and no pedo are involved in that ship; they end up together after she grows up without him around - yes, he leaves the duchy when she is in the Royal Academy. I am more stressed over the people who ship Mine with Lutz or Hildebrand (an adult female in a child's body with a literal child...... just...no).
    By the way, my parents had that age gap and were happily married for more than 35 years. Biology is a cruel mistress if you think about the maturing of the brain (and other stuff) in the sexes.
     
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    I am aware that Ferdinand didn't child groom her.
    But from my point of view he is her guardian/teacher and technically raised her (into a priestress) for some years.
    Personally I feel weird about developing romantic feelings for someone whom I as an adult know since they were a growing small child....:blobfearful:
    And another example: I also felt uncomfortable when the 'Inu Yasha' character Sesshomaru impregnates Rin when she became 17/18 years old. He allowed her to be with him when she as a 9 years old nursed him to health. But the way I see it, he kinda adopted her.
    Just because it was this kind of culture or era, still doesn't make it ok!
    There is just this obvious power inbalance issue in many romantic storytellings.:blobwoah::blobconfused:

    Her and Lutz... Well since it turned out that she has been the OG Myne all along, I kinda get why people prefer that shipping. And agree, the thing with Hilde is really messed up.
    I don't mind that she stays a single unmarried happy bookworm for the rest of her life.
     
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    At least I understand now where you are coming from. I don't agree, but at least I understand.
    I never followed Inu Yasha, so know nothing about that.:blobexpressionless:
    About the power imbalance: yes, Roz hold's all the power in that relationship, with Ferdinand's name too, and I found that part funny.

    Other: I came across this image again and am still in love with it:
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    Well, if you start to read a novel with expectation 'who is her ML' or focusing on the romance part. It'll make you feel the wtf is this! I get it.

    I myself didnot read Bookworm expecting for her to have a romance plot. Even when I read end of Part 4 and 5, I thought Ferdinand deserved to be happy and I wanted Rozemain to help him out of his crisis. Second reading in those part, made me realized hints of how Rozemain might think of Ferdinand as her important person not in woman and man perspective but everything.
    Maybe the reason I didnot feel the grooming part because they (Ferdinand) didnot have that intention for themselves. And I'm glad that there's nothing like tsundere yandere or any dere dere scenes here between them.

    Regarding Rin and Seshoumaru, I also never liked this writing. But I think they're different case with Main and Ferdinand.
    Why?
    Rin was totally on board with the hikaru genji plot (yuck). Seshoumaru was indifferent and I'd to think he only saw her as a child needed to protect not groom as child bride.
    Rin was the one who loved Seshoumaru like a woman to man.
    I actually dispointed with Takahashi sensei for writing such plot. I thought she was much better for she didnot want her female characters to be drawn in fanservice for the anime.
     
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    The background looks like official art, but the foreground Rosemyne is unfamiliar to me.

    Is this fanart or official art or mixture?
     
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    It’s official. Later in the series Rozemyne experiences a sudden growth spurt that catches her up to her physical age- a rather well developed 15.

    One thing to remember is that Ferdinand is aware she is an adult in a child’s body almost from the beginning. So while he is her guardian, he mostly see it as keeping her from rampaging and guiding her through noble society. Their relationship doesn’t place her in a child’s role, especially once it’s decided he is leaving. But yeah modern western society does not find hikaru genii romantic…
     
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    That's one of my biggest concern actually, the opening of border gates. There are many unknown disturbing factors for opening it and it's weird that Zent is rushing to open it by next year (according to Hannelore 5th Year chapter 8) while the whole Jurgensmidth and newly appointed Zent are not settled yet with the new systems and other new changes like the curriculum, rituals, etc. It was also mentioned that Haufretze and Gillessenmeyer are rushing to open their border gates, since they don't have any redraw of territory or got any advantage from the previous war unlike Dunkelfelder, which opted to focus on their expanded territory before opening their gate.

    Honzuki no Gekokujou Drama CD 8 cover
     
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    Author twitter spills on activity report [copy & paste mtl]
    https://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/372556/blogkey/3070341/

    After Twitter's side story /entourage replacement manga Part 3 Episode 32 (Novel Part 3 II Swap life) was updated, I was asked, "Why didn't you replace all of your entourage over there?" came.

    To answer, at that point there were no nobles other than Oswald who would seriously face Villefried, who was on the verge of ruin.

    Ehrenfest at that time was less than half a year since Veronica's downfall.
    Until then, the close associates and nobles who Florencia, who had often been hit hard by Veronica, could trust and arrange, were basically anti-Veronica factions, and those who were pushing Charlotte and aiming for Villefried's disinheritance. What is it?

    What do you think will happen if you put Villefried alone in such a situation?
    For them, this is the perfect chance to eliminate Villefried in the most peaceful way. Leberecht must have been really excited.
    "Can't you do that?" He pointed out the lack of education, and Villefried lost confidence and ended.

    In fact, even without factions, I don't think there are any aristocrats who want to undertake Villefried's education in that aristocratic society.
    I'm just a kid who ran away without receiving a proper education for years, and just pretends to be in a position.
    If I don't pack that child into an education in just two months and make it a success, my work will also be stained...
    If you fail and become a blemish, there is a danger that your family and clan will be involved in the employment.
    It would be difficult to say how many aristocrats can take up education and bet their lives without knowing whether Villefried really listens to what he says or whether he will be seriously educated until the show.

    ・Eckhart became Wilfried's escort knight.

    It is a story if Eckhart became Wilfried's escort knight by order of Veronica after Ferdinand entered the temple.

    When I received a fan letter, there was a description that said, "Reading the short story I from Lamprecht's perspective, Ferdinand would be sad if Eckhart killed Veronica!" I started thinking about various things.

    At this time, Eckhart put the Lord in the temple and was no longer a close aide. Immediately after his wife and children died after being poisoned by Veronica's hands when he had hope.

    Veronica orders him to become Villefried's escort knight at the timing of having his own entourage to prepare the north for his baptismal ceremony.
    Veronica's harassing orders to deprive Elvira of her son, deprive Ferdinand of her loyalty, deprive Eckhart of her loyalty, and condemn and punish her.

    Veronica knows Eckhart's hatred of her, but she can't do anything to destroy her clan and her realm, and she believes that no matter what is done to her, she will have to put up with it. .
    In fact, Ferdinand chose the peace of the territory without fighting back, so I think his loyal retainer Eckhart will make the same choice.

    (In the main story, Karstedt stops Eckhart here and Lamprecht becomes an escort knight instead. The following is the story when Eckhart becomes Villefried's escort knight.)

    But Eckhart loses both his wife and children and becomes an invincible person. I'm going to kill Veronica without hesitation if I find a chance.
    In Ferdinand who entered the temple, it was impossible to stop Eckhart, who became an escort knight of another person. He is only in a position to receive an after-the-fact report in the temple.

    If Veronica is killed, Eckhart, the Lord Villefried, Veronica who nominated Eckhart as an escort knight, Eckhart's bloodline, and Veronica's escort knights who could not save the Lord.

    Although it is not a crime, the most responsible person is to put Ferdinand in the temple and dissolve his aides, and Gilvester, who was the only one in the election of Villefried's aides, who was in a position to make NO to Veronica's decision. (Since Florentia has been deprived of the right to education)

    Wilfried will be exempt from punishment as the responsibility of the Lord before the baptism ceremony, but Eckhart, who has lost his wife and children and is desperate, is a "child". I personally think that Villefried, who is also likely to kill.
    Probably killed by Veronica's slapstick.

    All members of the Linkberg clan, descended from Bonifatius, are executed. Gudrun and Traugott of the second wife series will also be implicated.
    There will be some kind of punishment for Gibe Haldenzel and some of the Reisegang nobles, but it depends on Gilvester.

    With his mother and son killed, Silvester is forced to execute the Linkberg clan himself, including his cousin Karstedt and his uncle Bonifatius.
    But originally, it all started when Ferdinand was put in the temple.
    I'm already mentally devastated. Worse than when he finished off Georgine in Part IX.

    If Gilvester whines to Ferdinand in a disastrous situation where the lord clan is half-disappeared,

    "Why did you make it Villefried's escort knight? Veronica, who made it his grandson's escort knight for the purpose of harassment, is also quite disgusting, but why didn't you stop him? Aren't you stupid?" can be applied.

    "What do you think about your escort knight killing my mother and son?
    " I don't think anything about the death of a woman and a child whose face I barely know. But if you lose Veronica and Bonifatius, the territory will not stand because it lacks magical power.
    Gilvester has no choice but to let Ferdinand return to secular life.

    Ultimately, the result will not please anyone except Eckhart, who resented Ferdinand for being put in the temple.

    Karstedt, who prevented the destruction of such Ehrenfest, is really good job.
    He's the captain of the knights.
    A good play that protected the lord clan, family and territory.
    If her mother finds out, she will fall in love again.
    I want you to praise me.

    By the way, in this if story, if Ferdinand had returned to secular first, what would happen to Mine...

    There is no one who can stop Mine's intimidation in the absence of the chief priest, and the temple chief and several gray priests die.

    Mine and his parents who killed the temple head were executed together.
    or his parents executed. Only Myne is captured as a magic battery, but he soon dies of weakness.

    Commoners don't have surnames, so Turi can escape execution if she hides in Lutz's house or in her neighborhood. He was executed when he was told he didn't want to get involved with the nobility.
    If he survives, he already has a job, so he will become a live-in apprentice, but since Mine is not there, he will not move to the Gilberta Company.
     
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    Yes, no mistakes here I'm sure.

    1st part of the translation of P5 V2 updated by j-novel club
    https://j-novel.club/read/ascendance-of-a-bookworm-part-5-volume-2-part-1
    I read it as soon as it came out :blobowo:

    I started doing Drama CD 7. There are some translations I'm not sure about and some words I can't make out or find a translation for. I'll do my best to keep the damage to the minimum but yeah.
     
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    saix2 I'm seeing things

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    I was gonna do it, but dont have time ..Sorry guys..Please do so ....

    @teal08 I lost count how many alternative endings author has made but damn pretty sure most of it are tragedy and reality check.
     
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    No prob :blobokhand: ....... although it will likely take some time, lol. I do it by ear but I believe you use an appli, no? Can I ask what it is? It might help for the things I'm unsure about.
     
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    Someone commented: "The if story is interesting.
    If you kill Veronica, even the nobles who gave their name will be wiped out. Although Raizengang is restored to power, the mana supply of his entire territory is declining. The supply of magical power to the foundations of the territory has been reduced to the last minute, the impact on the primary industry, and the strength of the Knights. The arrival of spring will be delayed due to the struggle of subjugating the master of winter.

    No one is happy except Georgine"
    ---

    I personally think that if Mine died, Jurgensmidth will collapse due to depletion of mana ultimately unless the gods moved, and since:
    • There's no other Zent candidate that got GH
    • There's one to communicate with (except forcing Ferdinand to move, but since he don't want to be involved with Airvermin/the gods as Zent candidate..)
    • There's also no devouring child the gods could easily pour mana into..
    • There's no one to transfer mana to the depleting magic foundation of Jurgensmidth.
     
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