News Centinni: Behind the Scenes

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  1. Fuyuneko

    Fuyuneko winter cat

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    Doesn't Wuijgege offer setting up website and adsense for only 10% 30% of the adsense cut? Looking at the income for Possessing Nothing's income breakdown, majority of the income is from releasing extra chapters through ko-fi, not adsense. Its so quick and easy to set up ko-fi, and the translator would get the money paid to their account instantly instead of having to wait. So, I'm curious, why a translator would join a group like Centinni?

    No one had said anything negative to Centinni's translators, only Centinni's management

    Edited to correct %
     
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  2. Kayoto

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    As a tl I have made my view clear that I cant be bothered with posting chapter, updating site, updating server, and editing the work I do and yes that means someone gets to profit off my laziness and make some money themselves i understand the payment arrangements and have no issues. I already spend hrs working on tl and I dont want to spend extra time editing and posting when I could be tling the many many smut novels I'm going to be doing. Which by the way I need novel suggestions for!!! Help need smut.
     
  3. kittykittykittycub

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    pffftttt. I see the new post about p*rn whatever. Diversion tactic. lmao. And now this... lmao. This guy is funny!
     
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  4. Wujigege

    Wujigege *Christian*Blunt*Comedian

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    I take 30%.

    Like I said previously, the translator should just start on a new novel on their own website.
    It will end this.
    I see this as pointless drama
    The world won't come to an end if they did not translate Possessing Nothing.

    Also, contracts are usually nondisclosure for a reason.
    No matter what your terms are people will disparage it
     
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  5. Arzvak

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    awwwww I seeeee, from foxa right?
     
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  6. Coilingeat

    Coilingeat Active Member

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    I'm a volunteer and didn't expect money at the beginning at all because I was rather non believing in myself and my tl. Now tho I see that Player is very popular for month old novel and now I'm making Paypal but I have problems because of the location of my country and because of my rather young age. For true I wasn't even thinking about payment because I did tl very quickly and it helped me a lot at understanding English so I can move from my country.
     
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  7. Jeebus

    Jeebus Well-Known Member

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    As a business co-owner and manager, I can't tell you how important it is to consult with a CPA, or the equivalent in your country. They can save you a massive amount of money on taxes and help your company function more efficiently financially. We just converted from an LLC to an S Corp after our CPA suggested it. It cost us around $1,000 in consulting and filing fees, but we saved that much in taxes after about 2 weeks.

    Even if you don't pay a CPA to do your taxes, you can consult with one for $200-300 in the US. Do that. Then, figure out your costs based on your talk with the CPA. After that, figure out what you can afford to pay your workers. Have everyone sign a contract that states your expectations and their remuneration. Be prompt when paying them. Be transparent.

    I'm not a kid, and I had to learn all of this the hard way after opening my business. Everyone makes mistakes. What's important is how you handle your mistakes and how you learn from them. It doesn't seem like you've handled this well, nor does it seem like you're learning much from this. Take a step back and figure things out financially and operationally before you make any operational changes, and don't make any other public statements until you've got your ducks in a row.
     
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  8. Arzvak

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    our total rev is around that much lol
     
  9. rwxwuxiaworld

    rwxwuxiaworld Well-Known Member

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    Then y'all just need to do a lot of studying and learning on your own. I mean that in an encouraging way - when I first started Wuxiaworld, I started with ZERO tech knowledge but spent hours poring through sites to learn how to set up Wordpress, how to to configure stuff, how to do server restarts, researching the differences between shared hosting/VPS hosting/dedicated, how shell command works, etc. I spent like 20 hours a week doing that, on top of 40 hours in my regular day job and 30+ hours translating. If you can't afford to pay someone, then you need to power through it and learn.
     
  10. Random.poet

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    Thank you, that actualy more encouraging then people who slam us for learning on our own, and say we are shitty everywhere but has the balls to like ur post.

    I could say so much, but i will stop my self and say thanks personaly to you. And to the people that know that translators have been getting backlash from things they didnt do.
     
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  11. Arzvak

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    I will surely start learning about all this, thanks a lot!
     
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  12. rwxwuxiaworld

    rwxwuxiaworld Well-Known Member

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    Good luck guys, I do wish everyone involved the best. This sort of drama aint fun, and I should know .
     
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  13. Kiki0246

    Kiki0246 Top Notch Fujoshi, Owner of ISO TLs

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    Wdym, I pat translators 50 cents per 1000 views, including the unmonetized views from people with ad block because this is how I’ve seen it done in the past from groups like, as you mentioned, volare and ww. I do earn more than that, and I have the receipts to prove it. Idk if I’m allowed to say specific rates but if you’re in translating servers, you should know it’s a good rate, but not crazy. By the way, volare and ww both pay a higher ad revenue rate.

    Edit: have* paid a higher ad rev rate in my experiences with them in the past.

    You can ask any of my translators to confirm my rate. Literally any. If I’m losing money to pay my translators what you call a ridiculous number, why would I be running my site?
     
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  14. Wujigege

    Wujigege *Christian*Blunt*Comedian

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    Let's all kiss shake hands and make up
    FORGIVENESS!!
    If I can forgive Brie, you guys can forgive each other

    Brie for President!!!
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  15. rwxwuxiaworld

    rwxwuxiaworld Well-Known Member

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    Full disclosure, WW's in a position where we no longer really share ad revenue (because our rates have been bitchslapped to hell and back), it's all flat rate or revshare for advance chapters, etc.
     
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  16. Wujigege

    Wujigege *Christian*Blunt*Comedian

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    I do not need receipts. I know that you use Ezoic. Their way of calculating ad views is not exactly standard so it might be what is misleading you.
    You can look at your own numbers closely.
    I am not including donations.
    Just paying from ad views, it is impossible for a number of reasons like you yourself just pointed out eg ad block.
    So you are saying that if 100% of readers use adblock, you still pay $0.50 for 1,000 views?
    That is impossible. Plain and simple.
    But if you are using donatons to pay translators then I can understand.
    You cannot pay with money that doesn't exist because ads don't earn 100% of the time. You have things like Active View Viewable, Fill rate, Ad blocked views, Unmatched requests etc. A lot of metrics to calculate how 100% of views do not translate into revenue. If you are paying money that doesn't exist then I commend you.
     
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    Kiki0246 Top Notch Fujoshi, Owner of ISO TLs

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    Oh my bad, I didn't know it's changed. Sorry!

    I still stand by my rate though. Tbh I lost $300 in May and barely made anything in June cuz of how covid wrecked ads, but I've always done that number because I think it's fair to translators while giving myself a reasonable profit. When we're so small, I like it when it's just a simple rate instead of weird systems to save money. I use google analytics for views, not Ezoic.

    EDIT: I never use donations to pay translators. That rate has always worked for me with the exception of May because ads just really crashed. The money exists and it's your choice to believe it or not :)
     
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  18. rwxwuxiaworld

    rwxwuxiaworld Well-Known Member

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    Yeah COVID wrecked things HARD for the ad industry. On our side, it accelerated our transition away from adshare to flat rate + sponsor revshare.
     
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    The big names coming to brew tea now, I see.

    To preface, I'm not here to bash, I'm genuinely confused. I'm curious where the argument that OP was greedy for money came from. OP started translations for PN by themselves, right? They wanted to try out translations and eventually joined a group for the extra support (editors, etc.) not even expecting pay. They also left because the group was too focused on pushing chapters out whereas OP wanted to spend more time and put more quality. So where does OP being greedy for money come through? Trying to claim what was promised is not being greedy.
     
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  20. Arzvak

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    OP was hired to tl PN, they did not pick it up, just clearing this up.
     
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