Cleaning up tags on NU V2.0

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  1. Nom de Plume

    Nom de Plume [Shio’s Disciple] [True Villain] [Equip: Gunblade] Novel Updates Staff

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    So... motorboating? ;)
     
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    LaDyViL New Member Staff Member

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    That's more of a certain snake's Pafu Pafu than Mofu Mofu, I think.

    Warning: Good kids, do not Google that.
     
  3. SoulZer0

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    Except it's in the ear area. From most of the sources I found.
     
  4. RedsFable

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    When all things soft and fluffy play a big part in the mc or mc's surroundings.
    Example:
    The White Cat That Swore Vengeance Was Just Lazing on the Dragon King’s Lap
    Cat K

    There are many novels that have tag on NU where the tag may only be applicable once or twice. Figured that the "I love all things cute and fluffy" deserved to have a spotlight too. :)

    Heartwarming is sweet and gives you warm fuzzies, but mofu mofu gives you cute fluffies. Lol
     
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  5. Blitz

    Blitz ⛈️ awakened from the reverie❄️

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    We have cute story which should fit
     
  6. RedsFable

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    I guess my biggest thing is that this is an integral or game changer in the story. No different than black belly, it is a trait of the character. Without this particular trail would the story unfold the way it has?
    Orrrrrrr.... You could add mofu mofu to the description?
    Anywho thank you for taking the time to respond back!!! :aww:
     
  7. runsing

    runsing status : bleeding, health -10/s Novel Updates Staff

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    if you don't mind, can you give us a few example of stories you had in mind, or have read before? thank you
     
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    The White Cat That Swore Vengeance Was Just Lazing on the Dragon King’s Lap
    Cat K
    These are the ones I have found so far that would apply.
    The ML in The White Cat etc. adores the fluffies and the MC being cute and fluffy plays an integral and somewhat, no make that hilarious role in this story. Yes this applies as heartwarming and a cute story but it validates having a mofu mofu title. :blobsmilehappyeyes:
    Honestly Cat K may be stretching it, but the prince could not resist the small and fluffy and mc can get away with more than he could if than if he wasn't the prince's mofumofu happiness :blobmelt:
     
  9. Jeebus

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    I don't know much about those novels. Is mofu mofu a commonly used phrase to describe LNs? It's clear that a lot of people here aren't familiar with the term (myself included), thus it might not work well as a universal definition for similar novels translated from other languages. What is it about the tags that already exist that cause them to fall short of your expectations of them? Can you come up with a word or short phrase that might be more universally understood?
     
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  10. RedsFable

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    It would be used more as a description in Cat K.
    In White Cat it pops up.
    The closest I can come up with is 'cute and fluffy'

    or just fluffy when I looked up the english equivalent

    mofumofu is more like word in general. "Must have mofumofu [fluffy]"
    This pops up also in Mezametara Chikashitsu!? ~Tensei Shoujo no Yume no Saki~
    MC is addicted to things cute and fluffy and it pops up a couple of times as well here.
     
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  11. LaDyViL

    LaDyViL New Member Staff Member

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    Don't double post.

    I'd rather not have to use another Japanese term as a tag. I can honestly say, Cute Story is enough for Cat K.
     
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    I agree that mofumofu is not a great tag. I wasn't able to find an adorable animal(s)/character(s) tag or anything similar. Maybe someone who knows tags better would know if such a tag exists. If not, would that be sufficient to describe what @RedsFable is looking for, and would it be needed?
     
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    runsing status : bleeding, health -10/s Novel Updates Staff

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    i would like to clarify regarding editing the Status in COO

    if you see something like this

    390 WN Chapters (Ongoing) 2 LN Volumes (Ongoing)
    or
    485 Chapters + 13 After Story - Complete

    don't merge it.

    similarly, if you see the status is spelled Complete or Completed, leave it alone, unless you're updating the numbers. no need to remove or add D into it. we are fine with either one, or both for now.
     
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    This doesn't have to do with tags so much as it does with genres. Would it be possible to change genres like "Shounen", "Seinen", "Shoujo", and "Josei" to something more universal? Maybe "Younger Male Audience", "Older Male Audience", "Younger Female Audience", "Older Female Audience" or something. Alternatively, those four genres could be further separated into: "Male audience", "Female audience", "Younger audience", "Older audience" for even more granular genre control.

    Almost all JP novels use those genres, but fewer non-JP novels use them, despite the fact that they could just as easily be categorized into audience by age and gender. By making them universal, they'd be a lot more useful as filters for all novels.

    Edit:
    On a side note, the "Adult" and "Mature" genres seem to have a lot of overlap in their definition. What's the defining factor between one and the other?
     
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    Have to ask @Tony for that, and it's highly probable gonna be a No/Not for now.

    This is how I'd differentiate them. Porn stuff: Adult. Explicit description of violence, gore, torture, philosophy, life: Mature. Vibrators and the likes are classed as Adult toys and not Mature toys.
     
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    Definitions currently used on NU:
    Adult: Contains mature content that is suitable only for adults. Titles in this category may include prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity.

    Mature: Contains subject matter which may be too extreme for people under the age of 17. Content that deals with mature themes not suitable for a younger audience.

    The definitions aren't quite as clear and concise as yours. Seems to be a lot of overlap. For instance, the "Adult" genre explicitly uses the term "mature" in its definition.

    Edit:
    The problem boils down to "Mature" never really defines itself. The definition lacks clarity because it is circular. The only guidance given as to its use is that it includes "mature themes".
     
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  17. AliceShiki

    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

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    I prefer keeping shoujo/shounen and the like as the terms.

    A good amount of users come from anime/manga communities, the terms are easy to understand and well ingrained into the mind of most users, changing it feels unnecessary.
    Agreed, I confused when each should be used for quite some time.

    They need to be cleared up properly.
     
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    Please explain your reasoning.
     
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    The terms are largely understood by everyone in the community, so I'm not arguing on the basis that others don't understand them. I wouldn't have even mentioned it if the genre tags were consistently used for non-JP novels, but it seems like people are hesitant to use them. Probably because the terms are almost exclusively used for JP media. Take a look at how many non-JP novels are currently not categorized with any of those tags.

    Based on Series Finder results:
    72 pages of JP novels. 35 of those pages use at least one of the 4 terms.
    67 pages of non-JP. 17 pages use the terms.
    Pretty big discrepancy.
     
  20. AliceShiki

    AliceShiki 『Ms. Tree』『Magical Girl of Love and Justice』

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    Consider that Xianxia, Xuanhuan and Wuxia are all terms exclusive to Chinese novels too, yet they are on the genres list.

    I don't think there is a problem in having language specific genres.
     
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