Clever Vs. Smart tag

Discussion in 'Novel Updates Site Discussion' started by marine1corps, Mar 26, 2017.

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Which would be better keep as a tag?

  1. Clever

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  2. Smart

    31.5%
  3. Both (Please give your reasoning as to why you think both is neccessary

    48.1%
  1. marine1corps

    marine1corps Invisible to all Novel Updates Staff

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    If you haven't noticed already there has been changes to tags pertaining characteristics such as the Strong tag. They are going through massive editing to become Gender Neutral tags. Before we continue these changes, we have ran into a roadblock regarding Clever and Smart. In the past we had trouble resolving these two tags because well the few people who cared about fixing tags were in a sort of "deadlock" and well it wasn't resolved. So @runsing and I decided that a poll would be needed to resolve this.

    So which word do you think would be better to keep?

    If want to see the discussion click here.
     
  2. asriu

    asriu fu~ fu~ fu~

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    before we start what you definition about smart and clever~
    don't say they are same cuz IMO if they are same then it doesn't matter what will keep~
    ah I forget
    I don't really care for those tag still as OP you can start give your definition right~
     
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  3. DiabolicGod

    DiabolicGod Well-known lazy Member

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    keep both
    a dumb person (MC) can be clever
    a smart person doesn´t have to be clever
    there is a difference but I can´t find the words to explain it in english
     
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  4. Shio

    Shio Moderator Staff Member

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    Nah. They are the same. Most user and tagger won't be able to differentiate the two after all.

    I vote for smart
     
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  5. asriu

    asriu fu~ fu~ fu~

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    this is why there need definition lel~
     
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    DiabolicGod Well-known lazy Member

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    Keep both since they are essentially different.
    Clever is that one that can read between the lines, come up with ways to deal with a situation and +.
    Smart is a bookworm, have knowledge.
    One can be both, but majority aren't both.
    Ex.: in ztj Tang36 is clever, CCS is smart, black robe/su Li is both
     
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  8. awake1122

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    A smart person can be tricked by a dumb person, the dumb person was just clever. Far from a good example, but cleverness isn't a trait of a smart person. Someone can be smart and clever, but they are not one and the same.
     
  9. Nyamsus

    Nyamsus Life is full of shit and we live in it

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    can clever be put under the same category with wise?
    The difference should lies on decision making.
    A smart person isn't guaranteed to be successful, but a wise person will as he know what he do.
     
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    Zero300 『Mask Maker』『Kamen Rider Khaos』『Demon Immortal』

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    clever = street smart
    smart = book smart
     
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  11. ultragunner

    ultragunner Self-taught Mage

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    Clever is simply wisdom. No complicated plans but they should be 'out of the box' thinking.

    While smart is more on the intensive long term planning and performance. So no get rich quick schemes but less flaws in plans general direction (baring story reasons)
     
  12. Shio

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    Look, this thread isn't to define what's clever and what's smart.
    It has been decided that the two are similar enough and the area they encompass are pretty much the same.
     
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    Being smart is to know about things. Being clever is to come up with new solutions to a problem. The two are not the same.
     
  14. Kemm

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    Last time I checked (just now), "smart" has a lot of unrelated meanings, including "marked by sharp foceful activity", "brisk", "neat, trim" and "fashionable", with the related menings for this use being, as three separate categories "bright, knowledgeable or shrewd" (dunno why the same category, "(mentally) clever" and "intelligent", while "clever" is more down-to-earth "skillful in the use of hands or body", "mentally quick and resourceful", "witty" and, dialectally, "good" or "easy to use or handle".

    We note then that a "clever protagonist" is always a "smart protagonist", but the opposite doesn't stand true. If trying to keep the tags to a minimum, "smart" is the way to go, but those who look specifically for witty and resourceful MC will most likely draw many blanks from that merge.
     
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    smart is like intelligent, you know, he can study, memorize and use this knowledge. Wise man doesn't have to be smart, he just become wise by experience
     
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    i think they already defined it pretty well for any person to read this topic to understand the difference.
    So now its poll time~
     
  17. asriu

    asriu fu~ fu~ fu~

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    when you decided merge something it also need to consider future, some people may not care but other really care about small thing
    that's why there 3rd option shio if it decided same 3rd option is useless~
     
  18. Suoh95

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    Personally, I find the word' Clever' to describe a person that has limited knowledge but uses crafty, effective means to overcome obstacles.
    Smart indicates a person that is considerably knowledgeable with much more ways to solve the issue.

    The issue is you guys probably don't want to spend time trying to figure out if the MC is Smart or Clever.
    Keep both, Makes it easier for readers to find what they may want.
     
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    asriu fu~ fu~ fu~

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    btw @marine1corps you better make deadline for poll cuz if there none it will stretch~
     
  20. I Eat Monsanto

    I Eat Monsanto He who courts death

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    Clever : smart :: street smarts : book smarts