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  1. Return

    Return Ṩ͢͢͢aℽonara

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    I am stuck in between two choices one tells me to learn language (Japanese) and the other tells me to go learn web development and the third and most annoying one is both I am having conflicted feelings about the first one as learning the language doesn't mean I will find masterpieces novels too that's why I am leaning to the second option and asking will I find masterpieces jp novels if I go learn Japanese language as the translators are pain in the @$$ with their slow rate translation I ask you what did you find when you dived in Japanese novels raws ?
     
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    Draakon Well-Known Member

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    This is how I become front-end developer
     
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    Return Ṩ͢͢͢aℽonara

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    Your reply already stated the end result :blobhero:
     
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    Draakon Well-Known Member

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    But honestly, there is only couple of dozens of japanese novels that are worth reading, and most of them already was either translated or in the translation process. A bit more of it if you are actually interested in Japanese history.
    This is different for games, because Japan have very big number of great untranslated games, porn games and "meh" games focused on anime franchises, but if it just to read Japanese novels it's not wort the efforts. Japanese language illogical, you pretty much to need memorise all the stuff, no real rules that help you in the way. And then they use 4 alphabets in it including English and Chinese letters. Add at top a very questionable punctuation. Actually Chinese (or rather Mandarin) may be harder to master than Japanese, thanks to all that idioms but it makes way more sense and you can understand stuff better at lower level. If you just want good books then learn Russian. If you want Issekai novels then Russian is a choice too (althought they are not much better than japanese) or just go to Space Battles forum.

    If the choice in live is between "learn to code" and "learn to read Japanese" then simple go for the first. Probably you eventually going to have enough time and money to learn Japanese as an hobby. Well, so long as you are not working for government at least.
     
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    Return Ṩ͢͢͢aℽonara

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    I agree with your statement about learning to code and I found my answer I will continue learning web development and leave the novel world as I noticed that I like to spend my time gaming and learning coding but to find what I enjoy is actually to be on top of others and feel superior that is worrisome as the greed that comes with it is annoying
     
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    Needyneedle Crimson's Melissa and the Blackjack of Chaos.

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    Ok, so I wanted to learn Japanese language but I just don’t have the drive to learn it myself. I wish I can find a legit tutor or even better a teacher that’s willing to teach a mid 20 individual like me but the world is in chaos right now, specifically in U.S. ‍♀️
     
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    Draakon Well-Known Member

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    If you have money and PC (or even decent smartphone is enough in some cases) then there is legit online schools for such stuff.
     
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    Needyneedle Crimson's Melissa and the Blackjack of Chaos.

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    I completely forgot for a moment that technology existed even though I literally used my phone to post. Thanks! I think it’s the laziness in me.
     
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    All The Wrong Novels Well-Known Member

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    Learning a language takes an absurd amount of time, thousands of hours over many years, and few make to a level where they can use it as comfortably and effortlessly as their native language.

    Pretty much the only people who successfully learn languages either A) learn it because they need to use it in their daily life for something B) Can find a way to combine language learning with their hobbies.

    The best way for learning as a hobby that I've found is listening to audiobooks while reading along with a translation. Its kind of like doing subtitled audiobooks, but it works better for learning than subtitled tv because you're manually keeping the audio in sync with the text, so it forces you to pay attention to the audio constantly, whereas people watching subtitled television often end up blocking out the audio and learning very little. A lot goes over your head, but the stuff you notice repeating a lot sticks, and you gradually build up more understanding. Its also good to try re-listening to stuff without the translation to test how much you picked up.

    With Japanese you'd have to commit to some initial study to figure out the structure of the language, and learning the kanji for reading is another extra hurdle if you want to learn to read (there are ways to do this with media too, but its still a bit tricky).

    I think learning a bit of a language can be interesting and let you connect with media a bit more, so I say there's no harm in studying the basics and see how it goes. Just realize its a very long road, and if you can't find an enjoyable way to study (such that you would find your study activities worthwhile even if you got no language abilities from them), then its absolutely not worth it because it requires commuting a big fraction of your life to it.
     
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    Return Ṩ͢͢͢aℽonara

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    Thanks alot for advice ei appreciate it
     
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    Mnotia The Trash Man

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    Go learn web development. When you get an actual job it'd come in handy.