Discussion Controversial Opinions on Web-novels

heee~ hooo~
random girl show lil interest then reader say harem member!.... really...

NTR(netorare), most ntr is trash~ why? if this cat can't relate to the one who stolen why it should be ntr? imo most ntr is just cheating, corruption or something like that~ ntr is pure drama aspect unless it hentai~ hey porn have it own category! rule 69!(lul) to deliver drama you need to put proper background, character interaction and so on~ it kinda you wanna make sad story but end up this cat laughing cuz it funny~

early translated wn story mostly boring interesting premise but nah~ let see
mushouku tensei, shield bro, word master, cd, atg, issth(yeah you read it right), stellar transformation, desolate era, zhan long, long live summon .... this cat forget hmmm doluo dalou or something~ maybe cuz it long and repetition? Pmg.... anyone?

oh btw this cat think early sky fire avenue? early part where mc talking about nobility, wine, jewelry, coffee and such.... are you high? da filler is really something~

ze tian ji on tower tournament fight.... author your bs skill is really something~ just skip action scene~

Sevens, Novem should push down Lyle since ages ago~ also infinite middle finger to four eyes ancestor for recommend harem~

bakarina should be executed for her bakaness it will save future victim from her baka infection~

this cat wanna slap ye xiu face for his smugness

hmmmm later

 

Author fucked it up for another story, I remember there being a lot of drama regarding this novel.

Oh, and my controversial opinion is that I like it when Webnovel picks up a novel I like.

 

I've been planning on reading it, it looks really interesting

I just really relate to the two above haha

You can't deny that a lot of them are harem though (especially wuxia/xianxia novels)

 

I don't like NTR because it makes me sad. Why on earth would I want to waste my time reading something that is going to make me unhappy? Obviously things are different for you, but what does that have to do with me, or anyone else? Really, I'm not too sure what the point of this type of discussion is. It's not like someone's tastes are going to change just because they know what someone else's tastes are.

It's like someone starting a thread about their controversial opinion about how they like Chinese food, but hate Italian. Okay, but what's the point? It's not like people are going to suddenly change what foods they like because they know some else’s preferences.

The only virtue I can see is it might get people to tag works correctly so less people end up accidentally reading things they don't like. At least I hope that all works with NTR will be marked as such so I can avoid them.

 

Please elaborate. I've had this book on my waiting list for a while now because I tend to like this kind of subject. I've seen people praise it, but I've learned to be very skeptical of praise on NUF.

I don't think that the real problem with NTR comes from the readers rather than the books themselves. Stories shouldn't have to have self-insert protagonists, and they're not all meant to be interpreted that way.

 

Webnovels are synonymous with self inserts, and plus, one doesn't need to self insert to feel like shit when reading NTR, one simply needs to feel empathy. "I would feel like this when that happens to whoever." I don't think it's a 'problem' for I think it's perfectly normal and perfectly understandable.

Though, I admit, self insert stories magnify that sense of empathy and relatability from the viewers towards the character, since we get to see more from their perspective than any other character.

 

My problem with NTR tend to be more from the view that it is often unfair toward the love interest.
In a lot of cases the story goes out of it's way to portray the mc as the victim even though the "stolen" love interest might be the real victim in the situation.
Coiling Dragon was a pretty bad example of this with Alice, both from the story itself and the readers.

 

Feeling that web novels = self inserts is incorrect. And I think that it betrays a certain lack of experience on the part of the reader. The protagonist isn't the only player in a story, so only feeling empathy for him is wrong both on the part of the reader and the writer.

And this is exactly what I think is more important. Characters other than the protagonist should be thought of in terms of people as well. They have their own needs and aspirations, and whether the writer can explore these concepts speak a lot to the quality of their work. Generally I have a hard time thinking very highly of books that fail to make their side characters come to life.

 

That's the problem, as I've pointed out in my first post in this thread, webnovels tend to be very one-sided in how it portrays rights and wrongs, making it difficult to be understanding towards other characters, especially since a lot of amateur authors usually fail to properly write the subjectiveness of drama and other more delicate problems.

Empathy usually relies on perspective, if the author focuses on only one person's perspective, then the readers can't help but focus their empathy towards said person.

 

Yes, that confusing names should be translated to english when possible unless the novel is historical. I can generally remember many japanese names due to variety, but korean and chinese can be difficult to remember with all the yun lee and lee yun being in the same novel. At the very least spell them differently!

I prefer most of the girls don't end up with the MC and pity the ones that do. I find it funny that many times people hate the MC, but like the girls and then want the girls to end up with the MC. So I can't help but as why you would want the girls you like to end up with someone you hate?

Yeah, that novel sucks. I mean it started okayish, other than the weird original premise and the boring ramblings about italy's dictator. It really fell through for me after the war, the elf asked for a reward the MC adds the elf princess to his concubines. And the MC agrees. I was like WTF? What happened to being a realist?! If you made her a concubine as part of joining forces, that is fine. But you made her a concubine as reward for a war. That means that other nobles will start demanding you take their daughters as concubines for their war contributions. And if you refuse them, they will realize they hit a dead end politically since a new faction is able to gain favoritism but the old factions who were loyal are being ignored. This means next war, there is high chance they will consider joining the enemy side.

Effectively, the author abandoned his "realist" for "harem building".

 

Either it's a failure on the part of the writer or the reader. There are some books out there which don't put any effort into making its characters feel like people, but most of the ones I've come across try harder than that.

I don't think this is correct at all. it's entirely possible to show the characterization and aspirations of characters without portraying their POV. If that were untrue then any book written in first person would be unable to explore any characters other than the protagonist.

 

Personally, I loathe fan-fiction with a burning passion. Personal shame: I also used to write fan-fictions and when I remember it I physically cringe in response to how sad and pathetic they were. Self-insert fan-fiction OC donut steel is even lower than trash.

THAT BEING SAID...

I find that if a novel connects with me I tend to fantasize about it a lot, like "what would happen if the character did this instead?!". That engagement usually means the author has pulled me in, even if I'm angry or sad! So it's sort of like fan-fiction in your head... I guess... only nobody will ever see your secret shame! Also it doesn't help that most of the characters from the stories and shows I used to watch made a constant barrage of awful decisions that no rational human being would make, so it was easy to get carried away.

Still, fan-fiction is definitely in my top ten anime villains compilation.